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Morgwen July 4th, 2002 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bobomon
If this were a truly civilized forum... flamers would be searched out... given a fair trial... tied to the end of a long pole and drowned in a pond... but that's only me.
Its not possible but if the people flame several times, we ask them to calm down if this donīt help we ban them...

But this is only possible with registered members...

Morgwen

Morgwen July 4th, 2002 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Unregistered
http://www.netvirtuose.com/navig.php?article=p2p/expert

looks like someone has copied from developer's FAQ :)

YEP. :)

But he should mention the source, I think Moak has done a good job so he should get some credit...

Morgwen

RealBigSwede July 4th, 2002 02:00 PM

Whaw......
 
Hi ppl,
When I started this thread I wasen't sure that anyone would even respond to it, but I guess that I stepped on some unreg... ppl toes. LOL I love it. hehehe This is great!!!
And mr/miss/mrs unreg.. I have problem with person that don't want to have at least a nickname, so we can answer that person back.
I said before that you can call yourself whatever you like and use a hotmail address and no one is going to send you any EMAIL. Please, don't feel so paranoid..... :D I know a good Psychiatrist, if not pickup the yellow book and lock under doctors.... LOL Hey man/woman I just pulling your leggs. :D

Unregistered July 4th, 2002 07:22 PM

Re: Whaw......
 
Quote:

Originally posted by RealBigSwede
I have problem with person that don't want to have at least a nickname, so we can answer that person back.
Just call me "Unregistered" or "that last Unregistered poster".
I know my "name" is long, but if you want to stick a name, a label, or a tag on me, that will have to be it.
Too bad this thread didn't start out with "flaming has become a problem here, suggestions from all users requested", and then we spent some time fixing it properly instead of knee jerk "just cut them all off" reaction.

RealBigSwede July 4th, 2002 07:54 PM

Re: Re: Whaw......
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Unregistered
Just call me "Unregistered" or "that last Unregistered poster".
I know my "name" is long, but if you want to stick a name, a label, or a tag on me, that will have to be it.
Too bad this thread didn't start out with "flaming has become a problem here, suggestions from all users requested", and then we spent some time fixing it properly instead of knee jerk "just cut them all off" reaction.

Sorry that you feel so paranoid and unsecure. :rolleyes: And I haven't flamed you at all, or anybody else have flamed you.... And I haven't seen anybody cut you off at all, even under your chinn!! If we are so bad.... mayby time to reg..... LOL :D

backmann July 4th, 2002 09:05 PM

Re: Re: Whaw......
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Unregistered
...instead of knee jerk "just cut them all off" reaction.
The mods and admins didn't wake up one morning and said "Hey! Let's close some forums". It was deeply discussed. Opinions for and against it were heard. And keep in mind that mods were only responsible for the General and Development forums, the closure of client forums were asked by the developers.

Besides, I can't understand why some people are so reluctant to register. It's not that big deal.

Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"

backmann July 4th, 2002 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Morgwen
Why you fear registration? We are not bad only crazy! ;)
Speak for you!!!!

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :D

Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"

Morgwen July 5th, 2002 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by backmann
Speak for you!!!!
Ok I am crazy and you? :D

Morgwen

Unregistered July 5th, 2002 07:54 AM

conform I say!
conform to the NORM!

reminds me of the movie 1984
or was that when they threw a macintosh through a screen with jobs talking head on it?
Some of you weren't even born yet.

type anything you want July 5th, 2002 08:31 AM

see?

Unregistered July 5th, 2002 02:48 PM

Yes, but you can't do that in the "closed" forums now.

Unregistered July 5th, 2002 02:52 PM

Unregistered user? Why so...

I would prefer to see more moderators and moderators without animated signatures.

backmann July 5th, 2002 06:13 PM

Again, what's the problem?? You seem to think this is an authoritarian regime!! Please people, I don't understand how you can react like this!

Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"

backmann July 5th, 2002 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Morgwen


Ok I am crazy and you? :D

Morgwen

Do you remember Salvador Dali?

"The difference between a crazy man and Dali is that Dali is not crazy at all" :D

There's a word in Spanish for what I am, I think there's no translation for that. I'm just an incomprendido

Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"

Unregistered July 5th, 2002 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by backmann
Again, what's the problem?? You seem to think this is an authoritarian regime!! Please people, I don't understand how you can react like this!

Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"

posting unregistered is more easy. where is your problem with you telling people what they have to do.

Morgwen July 5th, 2002 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Unregistered
where is your problem with you telling people what they have to do.
Nobody tells you what you have to do, its your free choice if you register or not... if you register you can post if not you can only post in some forums... its your choice!

As backman said we discussed this, not only a few minutes we discussed this for some months now...

And its funny that all the people which complain here about this are regular visitors, why donīt you show your support for gnutellaforums and register? I canīt believe the safety thing, because we assured several times that you will NOT get any spam... and registering takes 5 minutes... :confused:

Morgwen

Unregistered July 5th, 2002 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Morgwen
why donīt you show your support for gnutellaforums and register?
how do you support gnutellaforums when you register???????????

safety no conveniece.

Morgwen July 5th, 2002 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Unregistered
how do you support gnutellaforums when you register???????????
Sides with more members attract more visitors... yes I know this is a point I view...

Morgwen

Unregistered July 5th, 2002 10:49 PM

Another hit and run

jared July 5th, 2002 11:11 PM

it's cool to register in forums like this
 
Why not? It's easy, and it gives a sense of friendliness and community to what otherwise feels pointlessly anonymous. I just registered after getting some really great advice from this site (from some unknown hero who was unregistered-thanks, masked man!). It seems like the right thing to do.
I value my privacy but I think there's a big difference between obtrusive, manipulative snooping and the kind of community building that goes on at sites like this.


In a nutshell, as they say.
Thank you, jared.

Unregistered July 5th, 2002 11:13 PM

viva la tolerance

Unregistered July 5th, 2002 11:16 PM

Re: it's cool to register in forums like this
 
nobody hold you back from registering and become an a-rated member, but unregistered users are not treated good. tell me is this good.

jared July 5th, 2002 11:24 PM

It's not good or bad, I guess. I just don't see the harm in registering if that's what the people who maintain and regularly contribute to the site would like. It's a courtesy, I think, and easily achieved. It takes two minutes.
Cheers.

Unregistered July 5th, 2002 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jared
It takes two minutes.
Imagine you visit 5 pages regularly = 2 minutes registration, 10 minutes waiting for email with password, 1 minute login and cookie maintaining = 13 +* 5 min wasted time of extra work.
Then every few months you find and change websites. you'll never know what one of ten webmasters is doing with your mail address... and it's just a waste of time. registration is great feature, but if it's a must have it's a big banner in the wind "guests are not welcome".

Unregistered July 6th, 2002 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Morgwen
As backman said we discussed this, not only a few minutes we discussed this for some months now...
No one here got to put in their two cents.
Reminds me of how polititions in "power" are out of touch with us "peons" us stupid lower class people and make these big decisions without asking us what we all think.
The fact that any of you are surprised about this reaction show how out of touch most of the mods are.
Slashdot rates posts, so you can pick what level you want to see. That won't work here, but letting the group decide on anon posts would keep the mods happy.

Morgwen July 6th, 2002 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Unregistered
Reminds me of how polititions in "power" are out of touch with us "peons" us stupid lower class people and make these big decisions without asking us what we all think.
Yes we could make a poll but would it help? Only unregistered people can vote, what do you think the most people will vote for?

About your political thing here, you need documents and have to be registered to vote...

SO now for the last time TELL ME where is the problem in registering? Will you momy beat you? ;)

Morgwen

Morgwen July 6th, 2002 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Unregistered
"guests are not welcome".
Its not true, we explanied our actions and I think am not going to respond to such accusations in future...

Btw, you need 13 minutes to register... how much time you spend now to complain about this registering problem - sure more than 13 minutes... yes waste your time on the right place...

Morgwen

Unregistered July 6th, 2002 03:43 AM

multiply with unregistured guests, then you see the amount of time saved.
accusations, hello? I think you mods should cool down and do not see an attack or conspiracy behind every second edge.

Morgwen July 6th, 2002 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Unregistered
multiply with unregistured guests, then you see the amount of time saved.
And NOW count the time WE save... we support this forums here for hours not just a few minutes...

I donīt think you attacked us but you should state arguement and no phrases.

Morgwen

Unregistered July 6th, 2002 03:54 AM

i dont understand a word. I think I stepped here into a argue by accident. I still think you should treat unregistered better, right now I feel not like becoming some of you (a registered user).

Unregistered July 6th, 2002 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Morgwen
Did you ever think that maybe my employer would FIRE ME if he ever found out I am the one posting here?
Your personal behaviour which may or may not infringe your place-of-work rules are entirely your own affair and morality.

Quote:

Now I have to use a different password at every new site I register at to be secure.
Is the password database here really secure?

I am affiliated with over 1.000 sites which require registration... I use the same variation of password on all of them.
I receive ZERO spam.

I don't have the faintest idea how to access your password... I am certain that it is not available to ANY moderator. We can view IPs, that is all. Any further info is included in your profile which is available for all registered posters to view..... If you do not wish your 'registration e-mail address' to be displayed, you simply elect for it to be 'hidden'.

Quote:

There are lots of reasons to not register, and you should weigh the flames against the contributions by unregistered users and respect the fact that we wish to remain anon here.
All points you raise WERE weighed, ad nauseum.... not in an afternoon of chat. The benefits associated with all users being able to 'access' one another is the 'winning hand'.

[quoute]And again, sorry Morg, why are you the only one defending this stupid decision? You sit here and take all this but yet it was all the other mods who made the decision. They all just duck and cover and leave you to justify this?[/quoute]Morgwen is a good guy here. Got that? he is not alone in supporting/defending these changes.
It was by concensus that the changes were implemented.

mrgone4662 July 6th, 2002 04:00 AM

I think following the lead of the vast majority of other forums out there (vBulletin forums, at least) and requiring registration for all posts is a good idea. Cuts down on some of the spam and general useless posts (and threads like this).

The only reason this thread is even happening is because requiring registration wasn't done sooner.

Unregistered July 6th, 2002 04:07 AM

The only reason most (not all) VB forums require registration like that is there is no other way with the current release of software to prevent flame wars.

Here's another idea from a low class, scum of the earth, Unregistered user:

If you made the "report this post" link go to a counter that counts per different IP address, then if enough people hit that link it would automatically move that post to another area or close it or hold it for review. How hard would that be to code? It's already a separate php page.
That way the mods will only have to deal with posts that are truly annoying.
You should change the link's line to something like
"click here if this post is inappropriate"
"this post sucks"
"click here if this is a flame"

Give the power to the people here.

Unregistered July 6th, 2002 04:08 AM

taliban and you are the biggest spammer here.

Unregistered July 6th, 2002 04:08 AM

you = mrgone

mrgone4662 July 6th, 2002 04:16 AM

and if my actions become too bad then the forums mods and admins have an easy way of discussing these things with me in private instead of cluttering up the board.

so register or don't.. either way, deal with it.

you may also try showing the people who put this board up and keep it running (volunteers giving this place up for free, i might add) the respect of accepting their policies instead of spamming from your soapbox.

or maybe you should just start your own board and handle it however you like :)

Unregistered July 6th, 2002 04:25 AM

get a life and some friends, your post here are redundant

Unregistered July 6th, 2002 04:30 AM

Here's a good example, and Morg will remember this.

We have exposed a lot of nasty things Vinnie was doing to Gnutella here.
Back when the BS forums were being used to cover up things Vinnie was doing, people came here and posted Unregistered about what was happening over there, and after people found out, Vinnie had to change his policies and open his forum and quit covering up what he did.
If we didn't do that, Vinnie would have kept on doing what he was doing and maybe worse, but since there were uncontrolled posts here, Vinnie couldn't cover it up.
We need a way to report bad things that are happening to Gnutella, and most likely a Unregistered poster will report it.
If this forum is totally controlled and closed, then when some "dictator" comes along, there will be no way to stop them and people will feel frustrated that they can't do something about it and throw up their hands and give up (or risk being cut off).

Morgwen July 6th, 2002 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Unregistered
You still can't see the problem.
You are starting to create a lower class of people now, anyone who posts unregistered is of a lower class, and you ask why don't they join us?

Yes you are right I canīt see this problem, because registering is FREE, YOU decide in which CLASS you want to join not me... I could understnad it if we would ask for payment, some people have not the money...

The ONLY arguement I can accept if some users come here and want to ask ONE question, but this is not the case here, as I said you all are "regular" visitors...

Morgwen

Morgwen July 6th, 2002 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Unregistered
If you made the "report this post" link go to a counter that counts per different IP address, then if enough people hit that link it would automatically move that post to another area or close it or hold it for review.
No way, perhaps one of fifty posts is reported the others are discovered by mods... so this will not work!

Morgwen

Morgwen July 6th, 2002 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Unregistered
We need a way to report bad things that are happening to Gnutella, and most likely a Unregistered poster will report it.
I see no problem, we donīt want to close all forums... and we are planing to add an open "rant" forum...

Morgwen

RealBigSwede July 6th, 2002 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Morgwen
I see no problem, we donīt want to close all forums... and we are planing to add an open "rant" forum...
Morgwen

Morgwen, GREAT. I Like That. :) :) :) :D
I still see the problems with some people that is not reg... they are Chicken shi** and they are hide behind the unreg user status, so they don't have to take responcebility for what they say. They like to attack everybody especial reg user and then run and hide, because they can't atack any unreg user because that means that their own argunent falling flat, because that will attack themself, and they know that they can't get kicked off because of the status...and they are so paranoid to the extend that they are getting stupid. I can see a guest that have a question first time and posting it here and then get the answer and like what the see and hear and then reg.. but, day in and day out attacking reg... is just plain stupit and cowardes. Yes that is my opinion!!! If you reg... it will take a few minuts and then you can do the stuff that you complaining about you can't now..
So far I haven't heard ONE good reason not to become and reg user, from you. :rolleyes:
[color=orange-red]No, I don't attacking all unreg user only the dumb ones. :(
[/color]

backmann July 6th, 2002 11:08 AM

Quote:

posting unregistered is more easy
No, it's not. In fact, posting registered is more easy, as you can see which posts you've already read.

Quote:

unregistered users are not treated good
That's not true. Unregistered users are no less than registered ones.

Quote:

Imagine you visit 5 pages regularly = 2 minutes registration, 10 minutes waiting for email with password, 1 minute login and cookie maintaining = 13 +* 5 min wasted time of extra work.
I guess you've spent more than 10' here, so you wouldn't have wasted any time.

Quote:

I'm not a cow.
There's definitely a problem here with cows :D

Quote:

why are you the only one defending this stupid decision?
A lot of people have defended it only in this thread.

Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"

bobomon July 6th, 2002 11:13 AM

To Unregistered (you know which one you are)

You know ... I thought I was A*** Retentive.... I am now convinced I never was.

Unregistered July 6th, 2002 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RealBigSwede
(childish colors and we-are-best brawl deleted)
yes, I dont like to become a member, your post convinced me.

Unregistered July 6th, 2002 11:18 AM

PS: moderators should not tolerate insults, but I fear they are busy with bashing unregistered or searching new animated logos.

sanelson July 6th, 2002 11:43 AM

Hmmmm
 
You just turned the "Site Feedback" Forum into the unregistered dumpster of gnutellaforums.com. You definately need to think about closing this off too, and give these guys their own little brawl forum to bash people in that nobody else has to go to..

RealBigSwede July 6th, 2002 12:15 PM

Feeling the heat ?????
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Unregistered
yes, I dont like to become a member, your post convinced me.
So, why are you [color=orange-red] still[/color] here then ?????? :D :p :D :p :D :p :D :p Now that is a Smoking Flame!!!!! :eek: LOL But you are still here because it is a good place to be at. Right? mr/miss/mrs Unreg user!! And did you like my color now? hehe

backmann July 6th, 2002 01:05 PM

Re: Hmmmm
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sanelson
You just turned the "Site Feedback" Forum into the unregistered dumpster of gnutellaforums.com.
Yes, but I think it will last the time unregistered users take to decide wether they want to register or not. It's been a big change, to pass from open to closed forums.

Quote:

You definately need to think about closing this off too
Remember, there are still some open forums. Users who go there do not need to register, and the site feedback involves those forums too.

Quote:

and give these guys their own little brawl forum to bash people in that nobody else has to go to..
That's under consideration, it's possible that in the short term there will be a place like that, but it won't be a flaming forum.

Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"

Unregistered July 6th, 2002 01:23 PM

Re: Feeling the heat ?????
 
Quote:

Originally posted by RealBigSwede

So, why are you [color=orange-red] still[/color] here then ?????? :D :p :D :p :D :p :D :p Now that is a Smoking Flame!!!!! :eek: LOL But you are still here because it is a good place to be at. Right? mr/miss/mrs Unreg user!! And did you like my color now? hehe

don't such postings provoke more stupid postings? a self made unregistered problem?


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