Unregistered user? Why so...
 

How comes it that so many Unregistered user can use the forums? :confused: And why are they not registration for? :confused: Are they afraid that some one will answer them? :confused: Please, stop this foolish not to reg yourself before you posting or answer. I think that is normal curtisey to intruduce yourself, with a name. :D

Ja justa ! :D

The only problem with being unregistered is that you don't receive e-mail notification. I don't understand why unregistered people don't just write a nickname in the box.

I like that these boards don't require registration -- I really don't like having to verify emails/change passwords if I have just one question about a service.

Also, what's the deal with all the demo software that requires registration or form-filling? Why does netscape or macromedia need to know my address for me to try their software? Not to mention the New York Times.

Here's how I deal with it
 

My information
John Smith
555 Main Street
Cincinnati, OH 45221
513-347-1111 (La Rosa's Pizza)
ihatespam@mail.com (real e-mail address used for e-mail address verification)

I don't turn on cookies anyway.
I don't turn on Java or JavaScript (if you even know what that is or how you can turn it off thanks to Microcroft).
Logging in is a pain in the ****.
Even if I did register, how would you really know it's me?
Could I register twice and argue a point with myself?
Could I use a hotmail account or THREE?
Do you know who owns all those hotmail accounts that have registered here?
So called "registered" users are really more anonymous because you think they have been checked out so no one really bothers questioning who they are.
Does hotmail come to your house and check to make sure the name on your underwear matches the name you registered with?
When someone here stops posting for a while, did they get busy or are they just using their "other" account for a while?
Could I write a script that registers me with a new name every day?
Does it matter as long as you get something from the content of the post?
Did the government identify cars with little numbers to make you feel safe?
Do you now feel safe? Is there crime anymore?
Is the government now taxing you to hell via that little number/safety you thought you got?
Did you give up your freedom for a little so called safety?
Freedom. Waive those flags, but know why you are waiving them and don't waive your freedoms.

The thing is, that if you have 20 Unregistered user in one tread. Who is who? I don't care if you have an e-mail account or not (if not, why not get one of all this free account) at least I know that I can give the right person my answer. If you are so paranoid, that you hiding, why are you at all on the internet? So. if you using a fake name, who's care. Not me. I think that people is so paranoid because they have somthing to hide.
No, HotMail dosen't come to your house to check out your underware..... I promest that. I have an account with them for years now and no one have come jet. LOL
Mr Benjamin Franklin said somthing that we should remember "People have the goverment they deserve". With other word imoral people imoral goverment or corupt people corupt geverment and so on.... To responce to you freedom quote. I think that says all. And remember that you have to know your history so you don't do the same misstake again.. Yes, freedom is important and goverment should stay out of peoples privet business. And with freedom comes responceblity is not a word that we should hide behind.
But I still say the registered user have the guts to stand for what he/she have said.

Peace and love to all.

I find it entertaining to watch two unregistered users argue with each other. It's part of the fun here.I stand for what I say, and I have come up with several new improvements to Gnutella, and even tried to keep corporate greed from taking over.
I don't understand why registering is such a big deal to some people, it really doesn't matter.
I remember when one free people were the only country where they had no king, and people would argue and argue until they finally got their king, just like all the other countries.
Thus a free people made themselves SUBJECTS (slaves) all because "everyone else does it".
In the good ol USA they don't have a land tax, they have a PROPERTY TAX, and when you go down and REGISTER your LAND as property, you are then taxed.
You have lost your privacy because you registered your land, all for what you thought was some kind of safety.
Everyone here has something to hide, if not then they would all post there life story and all their personal information. There's nothing wrong with a little privacy.

Good reason to "register" like everyone else. No thanks.

Sure that'd funny. but if we now have 5-10 unreg and you like to respond to some of them!! it would be easy to respond to them if they hade a name. Than to respond to "mr/miss/mrs Unreg".

Ok have old are you??? 150 - 200 year?? "You remember"!! LOL Yes I do not belive in kings and queens. In my view they are leaches of civilation. I don't think you should "be born" to be anything (goverment positions or company CEO you should earn it).

I agree that the goverment should not tax you land. It is yours not theirs and you should have the right to do with your land as you pleases.

I don't. I had my life storie posted on my website for years, (lost it because of money problems, will set the site up again after I have straited it out) I using the name "RealBigSwede" because I'm a Real Big Swede (6'4" and 300+) and anyone can send me an E-mail if they like. My name is Roland Hagge, but I like the nick name.
Yes, privace is importen, But not when it's starting to get fundamentalistic.

Peace and Love to all

"News Sites Getting to Know You"

" The Online Journalism Review has a story about more and more news sites requiring registration. Has assorted facts and figures, including how much sites' traffic dropped when registration was required.
Even though a fair percentage of people just make up the data they are asked to provide, I'd guess that as a statistical measure it's probably pretty accurate - many people would tell the truth without caring that they're being tracked."

http://slashdot.org/articles/02/06/30/0259218.shtml

Register away!

I am confident that once you actually do enter puberty, many of your current little problems will disappear, dear junior!

You DON'T have to reg in your name!!! ;) Pick one and reg, it will be so much easear. Reg yourself as "Gandi", Bush", "Franklin", "Superman", Batman" or "Donald Duck", I'm sure that the goverment will not coming knocking on your door if you do... LOL :D
Don't have a "yellow streak" reg yourself. :rolleyes: and LOL

Peace and Love

I find it hard to dialogue with 'unregistered' since it is often the case where there are several 'unregistered' folks in the same discussion - to each their own.

Not if you use http://www.majcher.com/nytview.html

Thanks Bobomon, that is exacly my point.

Yes but you are one of the unregistered users who visit this side here very often, so I think you like it and I register to the sides I like and which I use often...

Register now this will change your life. ;)

Morgwen

Morgwen great answer!!!! :D

Did you ever think I might not want to "dialog" back with anyone?
Some people like to make a comment and leave.

Why not make this forum so you simply enter your first name for each post? No cookies, no log in procedure, no "status" of being "registered" or not, no user discrimination of minority groups (see ACLU for further details).

... to continue where Unregistered started:

- I don't have social security number
- I don't have a license plate on my car
- I don't even have a driver's license
- I don't have an account at the video rental store
- I don't have a bank account
- I don't have a house number and zip code
- I don't have a telephone number
- I don't have a birth certificate
- I don't have a passport
- I don't have a ATM card
- I don't have an ISP account
- I don't have any bills

... In fact, I don't even exist!

Yeah, right. But guess what? All of the above is tracked one way or another. People, never give out any of that information. It's your right to freedom!!!! :D

Mooooooooooo

What makes you think you are someone I would have dialogue with? The point is.... I don't care who you call yourself nor do I care if you use 'real' information when registering - I care only to be able to say this is the same person who asked a question. I respect your right to privacy and am certain I could care less as to your real identity.:cool: If you are concerned about being tracked.... well that pretty much can happen whether you use cookies or registration.

Unregistered people can also type a name, see Gratis but I think the most are to lazy to type it everytime... ;)

Why should he? There is no need to track people on the boards, in the most cases the people don´t post illegal crap or the mods edit them...

Its much easier for the RIAA to track the people within Gnutella...

Morgwen

The funny thing is all of you who have raised a big stink over this have caused a sort of "its about principal" thing, and lots of people are now posting as unregistered.

Now it's all about principal. Before it wasn't, it was just people being lazy.

Thanks!

In that case... Cows can't use computers yet. Just being on Gateway commercials. So don't worry about that then :D

Scary, oooooo!!!!!!!
 

It's an other medical term for it and that is Schizo Paranoia LOL :D :cool:

great, this topic has been decided. I can_t post in general gnutella anymore. good then I do not need to come back anymore. :(

Not this topic... we discussed this for some weeks now.

Morgwen

I haven't seen much if any flaming in the development forum. And it's pretty light in the general forum too, so I don't think this is the reason, I think it's ursula and Swede dislike of people who don't conform to the "norm", whatever that is.
Now I can't post suggestions or help in the development forum anymore, thanks.
I see flaming from "registered normal people" in the closed BS forums all the time, is this going to stop that?
Bad decision guys, even slashdot accepts anon posts and it has more traffic than here.
You may want to look for a different technical way to solve this problem, if it is a real problem that is.

We discussed about this long before Ursula joined...

And the MOST mods voted for this...

about your statement that unregistered people flame in the bearshare forum, yes because the bearshare forum was closed some time ago for unregistred users... (at least two months)!

So now we think why you don´t see flaming in these forums... perhaps a mod edited already or deleted/moved the thread? Are you 24 hours around to say how the situation is?

A yes IF a registered members flames here, we can ban them what should we do with unregistered users?

All suggestions are welcome...

Morgwen

Sorry Morg, I am not pointing my discontent directly at you, you are one of the best and most patient mods I have seen here other than CycloCide.
I think you meant "registered users" above?
And you have me there, about the deleting of posts, but I thought you only edited posts and deleted them rarely. I have seen where a post is marked "unappropriate post" or something like that, and I don't see many of those in the general forum. So I still wonder what the actual motivation was.
Ursula lost her cool, Swede shows up and also happens to hate Unregistered posters and now this happens, very good timing I think.
I think you should look at the way that other larger places handle the flame war problem, such as slashdot, but keep anon posts available.
It's your choice.

(and oh my god! We are having a dialog! How can that be?)

So the main point for me, is that in registering for various sites and services, my spam email accounts (yahoo.com and hotmail.com) now receive 170 emails a week that I have to delete (I've long since past the 255 blocked addresses) in order to stay below the 5mb max.

Not only is this annoying and potentially dangerous (pseudo-real subject lines on messages that conatin viruses), but it defeats the purpose of being notified of replies to my messages.

Not registering is not about anonymity -- you will notice that non-registrants' IPs are logged. Registration is just a pain in the butt, especially for anyone with only one or two things to say.

If the moderators would have posted a sticky that says that unregistered guests can enter a nickname to distinguish them, the confusion would have been less.


Again, I was pleased that unregistered users were allowed in these forums. However, now, apparently, unregistered users are no longer allowed to post in the main forum. I do browse these forums a lot so I broke down and registered.

Look what I can do! And this too!

• or this
• or even this!!

hehe


Gratis

Oop and even this:

I hope I don't get any junk mail for registering here.

Yes normally but some of us started to delete posts from users that are on the "black list"...

As I said we discussed for some weeks now, sure such threads like this here pushed us more in this direction...

The forums which are closed are:

General Gnutella network discussion
General Gnutella developement
Bearshare
Xolox

The clients forums are up to the developers to decide if they will stay open or not...

Its still more than other websites offer, have a look at zeropaid there is no OPEN forum...

Morgwen

P.S.:

Registering really don´t hurt ;) , I don´t want to persuade you but this would make things easier...

The BS forums prove that flaming still happens even when you require registration.

2 months of proof is enough.

So the flaming will not stop because of blocking non registered users.

You may lose some important information because of this, such as users that don't want their employer to know that they exposed something bad for Gnutella or things people may want to say because they are a developer and want to save "face".

You could for instance, pass any anon posts through a flame test, where it takes the vote of 20 different "registered" users before the post will appear.

SURE not, I registered with my main account here...

Morgwen

P.S.:

Welcome. :)

Note we are talking only about the General forums not about the client forums... the client forums are up to the developers to decide...

And bearshare is a REALLY bad example, I think I don´t need to mention why...

Hmm...

I don´t think this is possible with vBulletin, and how long will you wait until your post will be displayed? This could take months...

Morgwen

I've received no junk mails since I registered, if that's what you are concerned about.

Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"

Sorry, but this unregistered user can't think up any good ideas, you all couldn't have asked first before you closed it so some of us who think beyond the "norm" could come up with something for you. (notice I say ALL, meaning all the mods here)
It's simple, you have a link between normal posts that says something like "read unapproved post from anonymous" or "approve post from [first name]" and people can click or not click. When they click two buttons come up at the bottom that says "vote, is this flamebait?" and if enough DIFFERENT people say no then it's posted as a normal post with the ID anonymous. If enough say yes, it's removed completely.
Think about the free time you mods will have then!
If it needs to be edited then that's another story, but you could have another button for that "needs editing" and it's sent elsewhere if enough people agree.
Yes, it's a problem because it's not part of this typical software, and I just gave away the hot new killer feature for forums like this and now someone else will make $$ from my idea as usual.
So if you ask nicely maybe some smarty here would be willing to write the php code to do that instead of cutting us crazy out of our minds non conformists off.

Re: Not Used Privilages
 

Kath you should also mention that only admis and super mods can see this infos...

Morgwen

Re: Re: Not Used Privilages
 

and they make a couple bucks on the side selling this info to advertisers :p

Re: Re: Re: Not Used Privilages
 

Yes and you are the guy who buys them! :p

Morgwen

Re: Re: Re: Not Used Privilages
 

True, true, and I want to thank all of you from the bottom of my heart... I am now making close to US$6.000.000,00 per week only by selling e-mail addresses!
Wonderful.

btw, has anyone noticed the minor little fact that those who continuously refer to the poster who is only here to make 1 or 2 posts, and that's it, are actually the 'dudes' who are posting over and over and over every day? Why don't you guys speak only for yourselves and NOT for the imagined posters whom you do not represent?

And, ursula has no 'thing' against anyone here.......
ursula does have a 'thing' against stupidity, hypocrisy and game-playing. But, that could not possibly be applied to anyone here, right? Hands up from those who disagree!

Last, FYI, the Shareaza Forum is also now added to the list of Registered Posters Only.

Let's not have anyone getting upset, OK?
There is still plenty of room for some of the un-banded peacocks around here to display their feathers! :p

A small correction:

Only the Xolox sub forum version information is closed.

And as Ursula said the Shareaza forum is now closed.

Morgwen

http://www.netvirtuose.com/navig.php?article=p2p/expert

looks like someone has copied from developer's FAQ :)

banding
 

And your sort of hypocrisy and game-playing are ok of course. No one in the real world could stand up against your above "test" so I assume you have a "thing" against all of us.
Thank you for showing us your true colors.

I don't know about others here, but I don't like the idea of you being the one to "band" this peacock, or cage us as your next display of power. We are not your personal pets.

The Shareaza forum has maybe 140 posts so far, none of which are flames that I see, so what was the reason to close it? Could it be that "thing" you have?

And technology can and will solve the problem of flames, if someone would just ask for some programming help.

I'll write a flame instantly...

Ursula: I came to the Gnutella forums because I had one question. I post only one question on many other forums. I have seen many one-time posts here and elsewhere. To say that not-requiring registration makes it easier for people who just want to ask a single question is not "speaking for others." The fact that I stuck around has nothing to do with it.


As to stopping flames: I don't like people who insult other people. However, other than deleting spam, I am wholly against censorship. Especially in a forum for those 13+ years old, I don't see any reason to delete "flames" or profanity. Putting the power of censorship into the hands of Moderators or even putting it up to a community vote is to transfer responsiblity away from oneself; if you don't like what someone has to say, ignore it.

To disallow someone from speaking his or her opinions because he or she is acerbic is flirting with an abuse of power.

Re: banding
 

As I said the mods ONLY discussed about the general forums, the client forums are up to the developers this includes bearshare, Xolox and Shareaza... the developers asked for it.

Morgwen

I can´t disagree more...

I am/was mod on four websites and there were always people who don´t understand that support don´t mean flaming at the people, so the job of a mod is sure to edit the insults and flames out, or we will loose many members that don´t flame because of some stupid trolls...

This is no censorship if some people are not able to act mature...

Morgwen

Morg, sorry you will have to be the only one now that responds to Vinnie posts.

To get by until a PHP script can be written, how about opening a anonymous posting area? When you post there you request your post to be moved to a particular thread.
Mods could check that area from time to time and click the move button if they feel that a post is worth it.

Or you can post your e-mail address and if there's something important, people can send you mail to post through anon mailers.

If this were a truly civilized forum... flamers would be searched out... given a fair trial... tied to the end of a long pole and drowned in a pond... but that's only me. :rolleyes:

It would be a lot of more work for us...

we are thinking about an open forum for unregistered users, but we have to discuss your idea. I will ask CycloCide if and how it is possible...

Morgwen

P.S.:

Why you fear registration? We are not bad only crazy! ;)