it's taking forever to get a song!
 

I'm so disappointed, I have had 4-5 songs trying to download for DAYS! It says the connection is excellent so I don't understand what the problem is...does anyone know what the prob. is? It looks like everyone has problems of some kind... thanks

There can be a number of reasons.

1. Limewire is extremely slow and inefficient - try xNap and Poisoned if you are on OSX, they work much better for MP3s

2. You are dependent on the other person(s) in the peer to peer connection to keep sharing and to not change the name of the files you were downloading. People are unfortunately not good at being cooperative. It helps if you keep your connection up and sharing continuously and for as long as possible to give others a chance to comp-lete their downloads. Files tend to have dumb and sometimes wrong names so people change the name. As far as LimeWire is concerned the file has now disappeared and there is a new file to download.

3. Are you sharing as many files as possible? If you are not, then the peer's LimeWire freeloader settings may be set to filter you out.

4. Check your connection quality. Down the bottom left corner is a mini bar graph showing how well the connection is going. It fluctuates constantly.

5. I find LimeWire to be extremely stupid. It needs to be nudged all the time to renew downloads. Right mouse click on the search bar tab and keep re-searching your parameter.

To sum up: Poisoned particularly gives a much faster and reliable download. XNap takes a bit more setting up but also spans several different nets and hits many more target peers.

A simple suggestion for you is to post in the General Forums if you wish to introduce/push a client which does not currently have a specific forum here.

No no and no (well maybe for you, but not in theory ;) ), learn to open your firewall and router ports...

Quite correct!

The filter has no incidence on downloads as it doesn't work.

It shouldn't fluctuate much or you connection is poor (or firewalled).

You obvioulsy don't understand P2P and reasons behind some parameters....

Man, I've tried every P2P on mac and windows and this is false but you may be in parallelar universe as Einstein theories predicted...

This is the reason songs downloads might be slow... people don't understand tools and are in a univers of wrong network settings ;)

Ciao

Fine line of nonsense!

I run LimeWire and Poisoned concurrently on the same machine and network. Same Firewall and Router. In the same "Parallel Universe" the one where it is not necessary to adjust arcane technical settings to start the car and get out of the driveway.

If (and I have not seen any reference to it anywhere) LimeWire has a handbrake (left on at purchase) in the locked glovebox I wouldn't go blaming the user. Although I understand how this may bring a sense of personal superiority to your otherwise undistinguished life.

You could enlighten those long suffering users in this Forum and explain how to turn their Nissans into Ferraris. Somehow I have the feeling that you are not that interested in sharing anything other than vague nonspecific suggestions that it works better for you.

A simple suggestion for you is to post in the General Forums if you wish to introduce/push a client which does not currently have a specific forum here.

There is nothing religious about this. I have no particular interest in the means to which the end is derived.

I have always had trouble understanding the partisan tribal fealty that everyone must swear to their s'ware/h'ware choices. An instance of "my software right or wrong" ?-) Any deficiencies are fiecely denied until enough time has passed to safely acknowledge "past problems".

I struggled with many different versions of LW for a very long time on several different machines with different connections and different ISPs.

If there are concrete achievable adjustments capable of being implemented by myself or any of the others not getting good results from LW, I am very pleased to hear them.

I am simply passing on advice that was passed onto me and worked. In the end that is what counts.

btw In the short time that we have spent on discussing this I have DLed 40 or so files (with the software that has no name) whilst LW has struggled with the few files I have tried to complete all this week.

I am pleased to say 2 have finally finished.

Judging by this forum I am not alone in this experience.

You know, people dl software, then they come here only when it doesn't work. For exemple LW has more than 300 000 dls/per week for multiple platforms, yet only a small fraction come here to complain even if for 90% of the people it works. This is what should be improve here at gnutellaforums and particularly in the lw forums, the community spirit. Many P2P forums such as Poisoned have much better karma around the forums. Only complaining is quite depressing and folks should be more community driven. I don't know if it is because of this site's colors or anything but I'd love to see more positive peers ratio ;)

Bless you.That's a blessing for us !

Score at the end of the first quarter is 1 - 1Oh, Oh !

Sort of agree with you on that one. :eek: We all have our crosses to bear !
(Ooops ! More religious stuff ?)Wouldn't we ALL be pleased to hear such things !!!
There ARE correct and incorrect settings - Adjustments - Some are truly 'black or white', meaning right or wrong - Some are in 'grey areas', dependent on 'equipment'.
The problem with most of the p2p clients is that the necessary accompanying documentation is either inadequate, out of date or non-existent.
Developers develop ! Amazing that, hmmm ? They normally make totally lousy user's-manual writers. They are also normally occupied with 'improvements'.
Not bad, huh ? I twice managed to use a word derived from 'normal' while discussing developers !

Moderators here see ALL the posts hoping for help and/or advice. We move many posts to more suitable forums... We sometimes post 'links' to other posts... Sometimes, if we have enough knowledge or experience on the particular problem topic, we reply with concrete achievable adjustments.

But, that's not really a Moderator's job. Members helping members is the idea here. These forums are a community of people interested and participating in p2p using the Gnutella Network... That's a hint to you, btw.... It is a community where there are many very nice and helpful people helping and guiding others. (Some may be a little outrageous in venting their frustrations after answering the same question for the 1,000th time, but that usually doesn't last long.) What members here do NOT normally do is join and then, in 8 out of 9 of their first posts, go into one client-specific forum and not only slag off that client but urge others to quit the client and move on to the Elysian fields, free for the asking, in another client.
(Can you imagine how many times a moderator is tempted to make such 'suggestions' when dealing with posts about a client with which some are having troubles ? But, we do not. Nor do the vast majority of members here in Gnutella Forums.)

What you have been doing is a somewhat subtle form of SPAMMING.Hmmm.
Really ?

See last line above.
Oh sure, you bet !
But, there are ways and then there are ways, huh ?

Some of your comments in your other posts here suggest that you are not quite as switched on to this here p2p thingie as you may believe. Have fun here... Share, learn, amuse, outrage... Whatever !

But, cool it with the SPAMMING.

Ya'all have a nice day now, hear ?!?!
;)


p.s. May be a good idea for you to have a wee look at a dictionary... the sum of the words concrete achievable adjustments do not normally equal change your p2p client. :eek:

I apologise for my blunt undiplomatic language s;-(

I'm not here to argue or get on your bad side.

As is obvious from my postings my experience is dramatically different from yours and I must admit puzzlement as to why we have 2 such different experiences.

Principally I guess is that I am on the Mac, but as I have said I have tried it over a long period of time in OS9, several versions of OSX, different machines, different ISPs, 2 different modems, and on VDSL broadband with 2 different ISPs. I have not used it on my PC as I leave it isolated from outside networks (& Virii), but I am willing to experiment.

Sorry to say my experience is common to all variables above. As I have said comparing the 2 software in question is like night and day.

A large part (drawing on my long experience with IT) is what one user believes to be acceptable usability and performance. We use the same words but they mean different things to us. I am a Mac user because I believe developers should be responsible for the usability of products that only they can know intimately. Others take pride in overcoming the obstacles thrown up in their path by miss (or non) information, poor design and faults in its implementation.

Not to dispute what you say but I am reminded of the old joke about a man observing a large Excavator: "That machine is putting a 100 men with shovels out of work". Whereupon an observer says "and a thousand with spoons".

The point is they all dig the same hole.

I know. I have used the LimeWire spoon and am upgrading to the Poisoned shovel. I look forward to "xCavator" when and wherever I might find it, and I won't be attached then to anything I previously used.

PS I have been over to the General forums and note that the recommendation is to post on specific applications back here in the specific forums. My comments were on LimeWire so here it is. I understand LW is your baby and so you may not appreciate unfavorable comparison.

Correct me where I am wrong and I'll take it square on the chin.

Gee, I must have missed that !
Was it good ?Hey ! Another blessing !Ace placement !!!Yeah ?
Show me the guy that said that !!! Just show me, huh !!!!!!!!!!

errr... Now, this is just between you and me, right ?... But, I haven't used LW since version [Edit].
But, I should not discuss that here in Gnutella Forums... Tain't right, ya see... I use [Edit] and [Edit] and [Edit] and have excellent results. I've taken to sharing eBooks, 1.6GB of them, and moving so many smallish files is most illuminating as far as observing p2p client behaviour...
And human behaviour... Like noting how many people D/L my Engineering stuff AND Cookbooks... At the same time... Hmmm ??? :eek:One lump or two ?

:p

Sorry Ursula I was actually replying to et voilà although having read your excellent and most moderate response it could be to you as well.

We are mostly in agreement, even with:

they are simply alternative actions the user can take, short of rolling up our sleeves and wading into C++ to fix a passing need.

I assume you wouldn't hesitate to found your own steelworks and petrochemical plant whenever your car won't get out of the driveway or stalls twenty times on the way down to the shops.

Personally I don't think I'm up to doing that as well as my day job.

btw I make no claim to being a p2p guru, and knowing a few networking experts, they like to keep it that way (whilst plumbing me for all of my expertise they can extract).

Psst you can tell me s;-)

Ursula I see you are sharing a hefty 1.6gb of eBooks!

I count 74 files in the last 30 hrs totalling 875mb using the s'ware that must remain nameless.

LW did 4 in the last week (37mb), the other two files will not budge above 49% and 2% respectively, I dumped another dozen as hopeless. I have repeatedly searched for alternative sources (I'm stubborn).

The tally of the s'ware that must remain nameless is 12.14Gb in the last few weeks.

I desperately need to correct my firewalls and ports! Can you give me directions please?

s:-)

There have been a few 'changes' recently in the Gnutella client I am using... (Self-proclaimed statistics freaks playing with max settings) so my numbers are slightly down now...

I normally Upload 950MB - 1.1GB of files per 24hrs... With some max Upload Queueing 'games' now being played by above-mentioned freaks, I'm now at a very steady 855MB per 24hrs...
Gnutella Network Works !.............................

ooops !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Norton just came on and said, "I'm gonna scan now cuz you need it... Hmmm... Hope it's not the latest... I've got the AV auto-run normally disabled and rely on the Internet Security Firewall and stuff to protect... When it starts a scan anyway... Bad BOOGIE !

bbl...

Dive ! Dive ! Dive !

forever to get a song
 

As a Mac user --- not on a network, not even protected by a firewall --- I too have found LW downloads impossibly slow, despite the use of a broadband connection. I have also read the FAQs and followed a couple of other threads (including the Mac threads) in an effort to understand what I might be doing wrong. To no avail.

This complaint is not a challenge to the spirit of the LW community (as suggested by Et Voila). It is motivated by simple frustration: I would like the product to work.

In defence of rubaiyat: the problem of religiosity is common to internet discussion forums on many subjects. (I was recently told of an "open forum" on pet care that carried a warning against all posts that defended or promoted pet vaccinations.)

For my part, I will generally lend an ear to the voice of impartiality --- because it frequently coincides with the voice of reason.

Moderator replies (Et Voila and Ursula, I believe?) to rubaiyat's postings have been no better than childish, embarrassing sarcasm that have in no way refuted the points rubaiyat has made. Worse --- they have offered no real help to LW users. Instead, we get testimonials about dowloading hundreds of MBs in a day. Is this intended to help those who haven't accomplished the same feat, or is it simply a way of discrediting complaints?

Rubaiyat has been labelled a spammer (subtext --- heretic?) in large Scarlet Letters (in case anyone in this galaxy should miss the symbolism?). When will we all be invited to the public stoning?

If everyone who uses this product is obliged to offer a testimonial, to improve the "karma" of the community or to be a true believer, then LW is selling snake oil.
In addition, the pretence that this is any sort of forum should be dropped.

Let us see if one of the discussion moderators (who should perhaps consult any standard dictionary on the meaning of the word "moderate" --- as verb, adjective or noun) can make a reasonable reply to my complaint. It is this: downloads using LW in Mac OS X are impossibly slow, and fiddling with the obscure settings, as suggested in your FAQs, has made no measurable difference.

I certainly intend to give LW's rival products a try. If they are slower or more difficult to use, I may have to abandon the search for cherished remasters of the 78s from my childhood. Goodbye Sophie Tucker, Yogi Yorgensen and Jimmy Rodgers.

I certainly feel that some people find LW frustrating. Putting the firewall issues and ISP problems aside, the user is often the own cause of the slow speeds. I always got mp3 at speed above 10Ko/s on LW, except for rare french songs and unknown artists. This is the rules to get great speeds:
1)begin downloading ASAP when the results are coming as this not let time for other clients to go offline.
2)when a download is slow and has only a few sources, you can right click on the tab of your search to get more sources for download (or you can do another search with the specific name of the file which is more accurate)
3)have a preference for files that have more than one source if possible.
4)if with those things you can't get the files in a respectable time (variable as it depends on the patience of every user... ;) ) Do another search and try to download the same file but with a slightly different size or bitrate or name.
5)Optimisation: I usually download the same file from two different results and I cancel the one with the slowest speed after the firts download is complete.
6)there are other productive ways but they don't come to my mind now:p

Bonne chance

Re: forever to get a song
 

The above comment indicates that the very first and most important thing that you must do in order to attempt to resolve your D/L 'speed' problems is to scan your entire machine for viruses and so-called Adware/Spyware/Dataminers. If you have no protection enabled than your machine is going to be running applications 'in the background' that are consuming some of your available bandwidth.

When you say, "LimeWire downloads," are you referring to files you are downloading specifically from other LimeWire users or are you meaning that 'performance' when using LimeWire is less than the 'performance' of some other Gnutella Network client. (Or, perhaps you are referring to some other iteration of LimeWire that you ran in the past ?)

Obscurity is not a quality which will enhance the potential success of your pursuit of problem resolution and knowledge.

See below...

Strange.
It appears that rubaiyat does not necessarily share your opinion.Beg to differ with you. Read the posts again and you may find that there are numerous comments made in regards to the possible cause(s) of reduced download 'performance'. Further, these forums are packed full of posts which have many helpful tips and 'set-up rules'. The fact that large numbers of people make no effort whatsoever to examine past posts is not the fault or responsibility of any moderator or, more importantly, any forum 'regulars'... The frustration that has been alluded to here is also experienced by people who find posts asking a question which is actually answered in the post(s) immediately above the questioner's post.

As an aside, it is quite amazing how many people post their LimeWire questions in the BearShare Forums !!!
Hardly the latter...
I have many complaints regarding the manner in which users 'operate' on p2p file-sharing networks. The majority are sharing either nothing or far too much... Their machines and OSes are not correctly configured nor maintained.... They share stuff which they have never examined... They change filenames inappropriately... They alter important settings and then 'hammer' away trying to get their precious D/Ls while flooding the network with unnecessary traffic... They go off-line when they get what they wanted, disconnecting from active uploads which may require only seconds or minutes to complete... They... ... ... Get the idea ?

In fact, I would like to see many more cogent comments regarding complaints on user-habits. Contained within such commentaries would be the occassional gems of wisdom and experience that may benefit others.

Testimonials ?

Well, if you're referring to rubaiyat here, I did not find it so much of a testimonial as a simple statement of traffic flow using a different client.
The frequency of his doing that is what constituted the 'Spamming'.
If you are possibly referring to me, I made no comment of testimonial to any client and only mentioned what I am uploading... Gigabytes and Gigabytes worth to LimeWire users, btw !

If you are referring to posts from satisfied users than consider the fact that there are many and varied personality types out there and that some may be having their success from sheer 'dumb-luck'... Some want to keep the 'tips' a 'secret'... Some may be idiot savants with computers but are embarrased with their level of literacy or grasp of the English language... Some have answered the same questions 100s of times and are 'frustrated'... Some haven't a clue but want to 'display' their 'expertise'... Get it ?

And some... Many, many here, in fact, do know and DO help.

What WOULD help the vast majority of people involved in the world of p2p filesharing would be if they actually made some effort to even try to understand what they are doing... Meaning, specifically in this case, to understand the nature of the network...
To understand WHAT Gnutella Network IS !!!


AND, what it is NOT !!!
Because he was spamming.What's with all the religious references around here ?No,These are large Scarlet Letters.
(You don't know Hester by any chance, do you ?
Also, the size used for the word Spamming in the post was 'normal' default size. I hope rubaiyat was not offended by my failure to use something larger !Unfortunately, he has not yet invited me... But, I think I should first find out what he uses to be stoned. Don't you agree ?It's rather difficult to find an example of anyone here suggesting the form of behaviour you mention.
Impossible, actually !Perhaps it has escaped your notice, so, to assist you in recognizing your surroundings here, I'll just remind you that this is Gnutella Forums which provides a place for people to discuss p2p file sharing in relation, primarily, to the Gnutella Network. It is a real plus for the entire community that so many Gnutella Network clients have forums within Gnutella Forums. LimeWire Forums is one of such forums.
Because of the nature of Gnutella Forums it is inevitable that there will be occasional references to comparisons of clients.
Nothing wrong with that !
What is not acceptable has already been partly covered in posts to rubaiyat and it would serve no purpose to repeat them here.

How are et voilà and I doing so far ? A minor detail which would be most edifying for anyone here who may wish to assist you would be for you to first identify:

Your specific OS
Details of your machine
Details of any other applications running concurrently with LimeWire
The specific version of LimeWire you are currently using
Specific details of your ISP connection

"a Mac user --- not on a network, not even protected by a firewall..."

is inadequate if you wish to have any chance of a reasonably 'speedy' response.

Ah...

Here we have another instance of the inadvisability of 'first stone casting'...
;)

The above material you mention indicates quite clearly that your intention is to attempt to download material which is most definitely covered by copyrights. (I have not yet marked them out with an [Edit] so as to be able to provide you with 'evidence'.)

This strikes me as being a bit like going to the hardware store and complaining that the hammer you bought (or possibly got for free !!!) failed to break the glass front of the store you wanted to rob.

Takes some of the shine off of a 'noble' position, hmmm ? :rolleyes:


* Sarcasm

btw, cosborn

Do have a re-read of teag_98's post...

Not one single word to indicate anything about the system in use...

No client version

No system information

Nothing that would give a clue to anyone who may wish to help...


Do you have any idea how many posts have been done, trying to help others, only to find that the response had nothing to do with the poster's problem ?

Users have a responsibility to themselves to ensure that they will at least have some chance of receiving assistance.

How would YOU answer the starting post here ?

Don't fret... Take this as a rhetorical question.

On a point of information. I have just downloaded a copy of Poisoned, which, unlike Limewire Pro, was free of charge. I've found it fast and reliable, at least as a Mac OS X user. It requires little or no sepcialist knowledge about settings, and it appears to perform with the same speed I have seen my friends achieve with P2P software specifically designed for PCs. Moreover, it searches several P2P networks simultaneously, giving slightly (though not remarkably) better search results.

As for your extraordinary claim to possession of the moral high ground (in reference to my nefarious plot to infringe copyright): what a piece of cynical cant. I haven't seen a single piece of music in any search that did not manifestly infringe the spirit, if not the letter, of copyright. (As a publisher I know a little something about the subject.) What a shameful pretence you make. At least I can say that I'm looking for recordings of people who are long dead. And I make no apologies for searching out rare recordings since I spend a few thousand a year buying any decent recordings I can find dating back as far as 1910 and sometimes earlier. Downloading from the internet is a last resort for me, primarily since the quality is generally so poor. I certainly wouldn't pretend that other people had no right to share or download recordings that were precious to them. On the other hand, I suspect that most of the users on this network can find the music they're looking for just as easily on racks of discounted CDs at the Walmart checkout.
My final comments to this forum are:
Tut, tut, pshaw and a firm harrumphhhh!
What !!! No pffffffffffffffffffffffffffft ?


No cant.
References to attempts to download or share copyrighted material, or solicitations to assist in same, are not allowed.

I'll be nice and avoid the [Red]...

ILLEGAL ACTIVITY
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Edited to comply with the House Rules.
Warez, copyright violation, or any other illegal activity may NOT be linked or expressed in any form.


'Remasters' would definitely imply copyrighted material.
Whether an artist is deceased or not, there is still normally someone retaining the copyright to the recorded material.

This is completely standard practice in use in the vast majority of Forum sites which are related to filesharing activities.

The great majority of members here respect this 'rule'.


As far as 'Poisoned' is concerned, either you and/or rubaiyat may wish to speak to those individuals responsible for the client and ask them if they would like to initiate a 'Poisoned Forum' here...
This would be a far better alternative to posting references to it in LimeWire Forums (or any other client specific forum here).

I say that last bit making the assumption that it is a client which is participating in the Gnutella Network. Not being a Mac user nor having investigated the client further, I don't know if it is a participant in Gnutella Network or not.


btw... That is very good news that your harrumphhhhs are firm !

As the years advance, loose harrumphhhhs can be a most embarrasing problem.
;)

Time To Get Heavy
 

I sense that you don't take my replies to you very seriously.

You force me to go even further and show you an example of the last Serial Troll and Copyright Infringer we dealt with.

We do take this HOBBY seriously, you know !

It is a sad note that cosburn and I (and many others in this forum) agree on, LimeWire IS just impossibly slow in our experience.

I tried acquisition and acqlite to check whether it was just something I had done wrong in LW. Although what exactly can one do "wrong" when there is so little to adjust? They both have about the same problems as LW (being based on it) with acqlite showing a little more dogged determination in actually finishing a few files, even if ever so slowly.

I have become accustomed to being "guilty of something" everytime software doesn't perform as advertised.

Seeing as coburn broached on the subject of the quality of the replies, I suppose I can pick it up without being accused of rancor. He is right and I didn't previously persue it, but the answers illuminate nothing. Just leave us sitting here listening to the commentary on the "excellent stitching" on the Emperor's Clothes and being lectured on our lack of forum etiquette. After all one musn't mention His Eminence's regal elephantiasis or flacid pink flesh no matter how they confront's one's senses.

So cosburn have you tried the "s'ware that must remain nameless"? What is your opinion, does it work or not? Does it work better than LW or not?

In this forum, which only consists of people who
a/ can be bothered,
b/ have actually found there way here
c/ have not been chased off by the minders
there seems to be plenty of evidence to back up that assertion
I have no firewall running, nor did before and my ISP doesn't let me play with their server. I have the same set-up as for the competing s'ware.
I occassionally get short bursts at max about 1.5 - 2kb/s. The software that remains nameless will surge frequenty to 27kb
Hmm this is laboring the obvious. I do that and... ? Was something supposed to happen?
I am incessantly chasing multiple and new sources to little or no avail. If LW worked properly this wouldn't be even up for dicussion. Needless to say the STSRN laregly obviates the need to do this because the download... downloads. Isn't that what is supposed to happen?
Hmmm, why didn't I think of that ? s;-)
Days, weeks, months, never... what is "respectable" ?
Again what's new? Just with LW this is a recipe for even more incomplete files.
Try another product? Sorry that would only be the resort of the desperate!

Ursula I noted your reference to Virii and background activities, obviously you are a Windows or Linux user.

Since both cosburn and I are using Mac OSX, is this what we are missing?

Is it essential to have Virii, Trojans, worms and miscellaneous Microsoft patches and infestations running in the background to get LW to work properly?

If so we may as well give up now, because it ain't going to happen s;-)

rubaiyat: if you don't have a firewall/router there is likely bandwidth throttle from your ISP, call them to see if they block gnutella, 2ko/s is impossible...

Ooooh I'm too shy, I don't know them that well, besides as PC users they tend to adopt a vacant look as soon as I say I have a Mac.

btw Poisoned scans:

Gnutella
gift
FastTrack
OpenFT

The searched/download file has an icon indicating from which of these it is sourced.

Possibly there is something in LW that exploits a feature or tool only found in PCs, but Poisoned being written for Mac OSX uses the equivalent or better native function to achieve it's results.

I am curious that they are all written in Java (which I thought Microsoft had sent into exile on PCs).

Well I overcame my shyness and spoke to the Techies at my ISP.

They report no cap on transfers nor block on Gnutella, particularly no reason for a slow down during the hours I inhabit (after midnight).

As I have reported acqlite seems to be a better client than LW. It seems to connect for longer and see a file through to completion far better than LW but nowhere as well as Poisoned does.

Poisoned though is tapping into the much much bigger giftd network, 3.25m users as opposed to only 97k Gnutella. That alone would probably indicate better success, but it rarely gets as many multiple sources as LW. Despite the lack of multiple sources, when Poisoned connects it persists usually to completion and at a far greater speed than LW.

I might risk putting my PC onto the outside net (hope I don't regret the decision). I'll experiment with LW on there, it really has my curiosity aroused that we have such different experiences.

Yes try on the PC. Note that acqlite and acquisition are using the limewire core and they built a gui on top of it so the performance should be the same. Also, the gift network (openfastrack) is very small (1000-6000 users), it's the fastrack plugin (3,1 millions from Kazaa) and the gnutella plugin (30k-70k from Bearshare clients) that up the total number in Poisoned. Also note that on P2P the network population does not relate to the number of users you search. For exemple you may search only 60 000 unique users in gnutella while that number is maybe lower for fasttrack (kazaa).

Ciao

Ah, Peerless... What would we do without you ?
What the oyster does without the sand grain... !
No pearls.




Moving right along to try to get back on topic here...

rubaiyat, I've had a look but have not found any reference to your actual, de facto, real-world bandwidth... Sorry if I have missed it...
I only found the reference to 27kBs...
This leads me to suspect that you have a max of 'advertised' 256 kbps down...

Is this correct ?

Yes Ursula.

I am on a 256kps VDSL (a more efficient version of ADSL) broadband connection.

Other details:

Mac OSX 10.3.2 or 10.2.8 (as my mood takes me s:-)

Computer Mac G4 400Mhz AGP with multiple harddrives (5 at last count) 1.25Gb RAM

I am a Scorpio with my house rising in Venus. Lucky stone is Mick, favorite color green. I like to pretend I undertand US Foreign Policy and sincerely wished the US Government did also. I like a schooner of Pina Colado before my evening walks watching sunsets and am extremely worried at the fate of small innocent kittens in the hands of gun toting forum moderators...

I knew you were nuts !

:p

Do you know what is funny? You said that your "SUPER" client is also connecting to Gnutella... perhaps you don´t know how Gnutella works BUT if you are using two Gnutella clients at the same time the speed can of course be MUCH different and this says nothing about the "client" speed. Gnutella is a P2P client this means you are only able to reach a small part of the Gnutella net, so you can use two clients at the same time but are connected to different parts of the net... no need to mention that one part of the net can be faster than the other!

You should investigate how a net works before you claim what is better or not.

Morgwen

P.S.:

Read what you wrote... now think... read it again and think again...

Do you have a solution? No? I will give you the anwser... Limewire scans ONLY Gnutella... of course you can compare other clients with Limewire or other REAL GNUTELLA clients - you are talking about FOUR networks!!!

Morgwen

LOL, - VDSL is more efficient because it allows connection speeds up to 52Mb/s compared to ADSL's 10Mb/s. Your connection is limited to 256Kb/s and you still get off on having VDSL. It's just sad, man.

I think it's fair to compare LimeWire to GiFT. Depending on what you are looking for GiFT may have an advantage over LimeWire due to the fact that it connects to Fasttrack and OpenFT which have a slightly different content from Gnutella. On the other hand GiFT is neither a very good Fasttrack client nor a great Gnutella client. - A jack of all trades and master of none. And it will never become an option for the mainstream user until it has its own Gnutella ultrapeers.

poor wee puss cat
 

Ursula,
You have disarmed me entirely.
I'm laughing so hard, I can barely quote the words of the immortal Leslie Saroney (aka Old Mother Reilly): "Don't do that to the poor puss cat --- no, no, no, no, no."
For troubled times and interminable disputes, he also memorably advised: "I lift up my finger and I go tweet tweet, shush, shush, now, now, come, come." (Please excuse use of strong language in a public forum.)
However, can you explain, for a card carrying Old Codger, what a Serial Troll might be? I'm not at all sure I'd like to bear such a title.
I have a feeling it means: "Don't post any more, Mrs Moore. Mrs Moore, please don't post any more!"
With lyrics like this, you can perhaps see why I find it hard to get a single hit from users with shared tastes --- and why the DL speed of such rare hits is important to me.
cosborn
PS I think every network participant who is sharing a file from early recordings by Jimmy Durante, Carmen Miranda, Cab Calloway, Noel Coward, Ivor Novello, Irving Berlin, Cole Porter and so on had better stop using the P2P network if you're worried about copyright on remastered material. Anything that was released originally on 78rpm seems likely to have been remastered. Go arrest them immediately on a charge of Old Songs. But remember: "A policeman's lot is not a happy one."
I go, I go.

Comparison is always good. But the first posts I read from (not only in this thread here) him he only said that his client is faster and that it also uses Gnutella... now I read it connects to four networks, is it really a surspries that a REAL Gnutella client can´t be faster than four networks?

And he could make ONE thread in the general section and don´t mention it every second post... good that I am not the only mod around. :)

Morgwen

Re: poor wee puss cat
 

No, this only means don´t post or ask for serials anymore. We are no warez forum, you are welcome to discuss about "almost" all other things with us. :)

Morgwen

Forums are a fascinating modern phenomonum. High technology for the deaf.

No matter what you say someone finds a way to ignore everything except what they want to hear or think they hear.

No matter how often you say you are on Mac OSX you are told to check against Virii and background activities interfering. Say you have tried comparable set-ups on the same network and machine and you are not comparing like with like (for the obtuse I have run LW, P, acqlite, acquisition, Carracho, Hotline etc both together and separately over a protracted period of time). Outline what tactics you use to try and improve performance and get lectured both on your "ignorance" then get your own advice back as "tips". No matter how you say don't care as long as you get results and you are cheating because you use a multi network client!

What is it, did you take a blood oath on LimeWire or something?

I am not "getting off" on VDSL, just that it is an unusual cabling system and I have been told it was used because it has small nodes better linked to the server. ADSL is more like a party line. Not that the details are that important. Unless that is cheating too. btw I am not limited to 256k, I have just chosen that, another example of reading into something that isn't there.

For the perenially thick, I am using all the software on the same system (although I have tried it on others as well). Each possible source of difficulty I have answered. I still am waiting on a clear answer as to how to get LW to even remotely function well.

I am impressed by one software, not because of the color of the icon, but because it works very well.

Re: Re: poor wee puss cat
 

I won't blame you if you think I'm a thicko, but I don't understand this answer.
To me a serial is Buffy the Vampire Slayer or the radio plays that always ended in a cliffhanger to be resolved the following week when the hero broke free "with a single bound". I don't remember making comments about serials. And I've never heard of a "warez", although I like to think I'm on fairly intimate terms with my native tongue.
Sorry.

Re: Re: Re: poor wee puss cat
 

Ok, I am no native speaker but you are talking about "series" not serials, serials are keys which you need to use copyrighted software. I don´t know what ursula edited, I read the edit note...

If you want an exact answer you should ask per PM!

Morgwen

Deaf ? Blind ? What happened to dumb ?
 

One is tempted to occasionally believe that we cater to the blind here as well.Hmmm, must be nice to be so secure, but, do tell - WHAT are these people up to ? Not a con, is it ?
:eek:
Perhaps you missed the following which is not from that many hours ago...
So, by popular demand, a rerun just for you !Now, you have finally gone far enough to merit said 'attention' and our very own beloved 'silver dragon' has moved all of the other thread I have quoted above to a more appropriate forum.
You have caused this action.
Stick around, crack the problem and post your results, please.

Re: Re: Re: Re: poor wee puss cat
 

Making money out of the gullible and screwing up people's machines.

But keep taking the tablets anyway the experts MacCentral interviewed for this story admit "that to date, they're unaware of any Mac OS X-specific virus or worm..."

Re: Deaf ? Blind ? What happened to dumb ?
 

rubaiyat,

there are more Mac clients within Gnutella not only Limewire, Limewire connects to gnutella if you think it is slow... you say Gnutella is slow so this isn´t a Limewire problem its a general problem. I moved it to our general p2p section because poisened is not only a Gnutella client because it connects to several networks. You can write "almost" all what you want about the clients here but you should post it in the right section and don´t wonder if some people disagree!

And ursula is also right because we have rules against spamming, you can say what you want BUT not in every second post/thread.

Almost every other webside is using similar rules...

Morgwen

Where did I say Gnutella is slow?

Honestly I am racking my brain to come up with a better parody of the misquotes and twisted interpretations than already exist here. But I can't.

I have already mentioned that I have tried 3 Mac Gnutella clients other than Poisoned, which is a multi-network client. btw Thanks for pointing out something I had already said myself, I might have missed it otherwise.

I am beginning to get the hang of "how not to spam".

As long as the remark is completely irrelevant, says nothing patently useful, makes non-specific generalised improbable claims as to everyone being happy with the product (except for a mentally unstable tiny minority), it is suitable to post.

See I have learnt something at last.

I don't expect other people to agree. I wouldn't learn much if I did.

Is that your expectation of acceptable postings?

In which case may I offer you a Tommy Cooper line:

I was getting in my car and this bloke says to me "Can you give me a lift?"

I said "Sure, you look great, the world's your oyster, go for it."

You said Limewire is slow, Limewire is using the Gnutella network ergo gnutella has to be slow, right?

Now you are kidding me, are you?

Read my post and tell me where I said that your post isn´t acceptable? I explained you some of our rules and mentioned that some people could disagree with your view, nothing about not acceptable. If your post wouldn´t be acceptable I would edit it.

If you are missing your post here is a link:

http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showth...threadid=24067

Yes you seem to be a master in misqouting!

Three mods replied to your posts all said you are spamming, so quit the discussion about it, you have to respect our rules.

Morgwen

P.S.:

A lesson in maths:

You wrote that you are using both clients at the same time. You wrote that you limited your connection to 256kbs this is 32kb right? You also wrote that poisened is downloading with 27kb and Limewire only with 1,5kb - 2kb... now we count:

32kb - 27kb = 5kb left now remember p2p networks need bandwidth for the search traffic - and you wonder why Limewire don´t download faster than 2kb? How could it if there isn´t more bandwidth left? Nice joke...

Morgwen

False logic. My Father is 80 and a slow driver, he drives a Ferrari, therefore Ferraris are slow!

Your logic is false mine not. Limewire can´t be faster than other Gnutella clients because they all use the same protocol. So all clients are almost as fast/slow as Limewire ergo Gnutella has to be slow, this is fact not false. You really should read how Gnutella works before you share your wisdom with us...

Morgwen

Again you don't listen or only read what you want to read.

I have run LimeWire on its own and Poisoned on its own as well as simultaneously, where I let LimeWire begin its searches/DLs first. LW's speed is low with or without any other network activity. Poisoned's speed is high no matter what. Although I can steal bandwidth from it by excessive browsing, as I would expect.

No, I read what I see not what is in your head...

Morgwen