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Using only a screenshot just got rejected by a court in germany, because the eye-wittness had disappeared. Before that, using just screenshots was common practice.
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Question about backing up data before a Nuke Hi guys and gals, I want to use the D-ban program to nuke part of my hard drive. I have a few questions. My situation is this. In the past I have 'possibly' illegally d/l copious amounts of music, movies, porn ect... from lime-wire and other programs. Since then I have deleted it from the shared folders and pasted onto the other partition on my hard-drive for library keeping and then deleted the shared folders. My thinking is this. They can't prove I didn't acquire those files by legal means and since they are all just mp3s and avi's or whatever they should be safe if they are just there or am i wrong? First: I have all this data on one partition that is just music and movies ect... I don't want to reinstall these if possible cause its like 90 gigs so using this program can I choose to nuke just the partition that windows and programs are on (i.e. limewire and my shared folders ect... and history)? And if so how complete a nuke would this be? Would the other partition which is just media files and never had a program or anything else on it still be vulnerable to incriminating forensic analysis? I guess what I'm saying is does a partition effectively make two separate entities, in which I can clean one and be at ease? Because if alot of what I d/l was maybe pirated media and erasing all the d/l info programs and history ect... from the one partition would erase evidence no? Also, If I backed up my partition with windows and programs on a blank hard-drive, nuked the partition, and then restored it with the copy on the back-up hard-drive would that just replace the information and stuff I was trying to remove. If so is there a way to selectively back up and nuke so that I don't have to reinstall 50 things in my program file and even windows itself, but still rest at ease knowing that the computers history is fresh at least in the eyes of any potential law in-queries? |
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solid evidence in hand before the police can proceed. A phone call or email is never enough by itself, so the police have to investigate and get some probable cause that a crime has been committed before getting a warrant for search or arrest. Someone who has accidentally downloaded and then deleted a file is never going to find themselves in such a position because no such evidence exists. Any search or arrest (which would have to be based solely on hearsay or suspicion) against such a person would automatically be thrown out of court as soon as it is discovered that the mandatory hurdle of probable cause had been ignored. Even if a person had been caught with millions of files, that evidence would be permanently inadmissible if the police had obtained it illegally. In the case where an innocent person is illegally tagged with a single file, it would be the policemen and prosecutors facing criminal charges, not the other way around. What you are describing there is a case involving a person who shares such files, against whom a screenshot showing the files being shared can be obtained. If you are imagining a case in which an innocent person could be logged downloading such a file, don't forget that the only person capable of providing a screenshot or testimony is the very same person who is actually sharing the file and breaking the law. The police cannot ever commit a crime to catch a criminal, so that scenario is completely ruled out too. The bottom line is that anyone who accidentally downloads and then deletes an illegal file of any kind is completely safe from prosecution. The only way they could get themselves in trouble is to let themselves be tricked into confessing to more than they actually did. Even then, any competent lawyer could expose the trickery and nullify that improbable and hypothetical threat. So, there's not much point in destroying all your data and reformatting your whole disk when just deleting the file and defragging or wiping free space is going to work well enough. In fact, taking such an extreme measure will tend to indicate to anybody that more was going on and would tend to raise suspicion. |
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What you have to control or prevent is the uploading of files from you. If you're not doing that, you have nothing to worry about because not even the record companies would sue you if you're not uploading a lot of music. Quote:
empty sectors or even the slack space in clusters at the end of each file so yes, that would be safe. Still, it would be far faster to use a secure wipe program to just clean up all the empty and slack space without the long backup and restore. Some backup software can be made to save a complete image of a disk, empty sectors and all, so you wouldn't want to use that feature if you wanted to be rid of old deleted data. |
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Thank you mr. Walkhouse for your fast and informative response I got a letter from my university informing me that Universal or some studio was able to d/l the movie halfbaked of my pc which i didn't know I was even sharing so they took my internet away (on roomates pc) and i've been a nervous wreck ever since. I will do as you suggested and hopefully this will all blow over. |
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@sageecl: Please excuse me for not giving you that much feeling of security. You were possibly sharing it, so they have evidence against you. Be careful in what you do, and get someone skilled in law _now_, so you know how to respeond if someone should suddenly come in. @Aaron Walkhouse: Correct information: Backup software won't copy deleted files, as long as you remembered to empty the trash... Mistakes: Just downloading doesn't get you into trouble In germany downloading is illegal and will get you into trouble. The law was changed a few years ago, so yout info might just be outdated. They can't catch you if you don't share And they can just join the download mesh of your file, so they don't even need to share it. Your client tells them "I have parts a...z of the file". Same is true for BitTorrent and edonkey. Please research the inner workings of Gnutella before giving this wrong advice again. A good starting point is Gnutella for Users - Gnufu The topic is "the download mesh". The police acts only on solid evidence Again german law (that's what I know best): If they need to secure evidence, they will get a warrant from a judge. Yes, it will take some time, but a few weeks definitely suffice - and some judges are faster in that than others. Tell a judge "we have information, that this person shares files illegally, but we need to get his computer to secure hard evidence" and the judge will give you a warrant (more exactly: He'll give the warrant to the police - there goes your computer). And that search is then authorized by a judge and all "secured" evidence can be used against you in court. How else should anonymous tips ever be efficient? Please be more careful what you tell unsuspecting users, especially since you won't be the one running into problems from your info, but others might pay for your carelessness.
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Perhaps Germany has always been an anomaly with the law. Different mindset, I guess, where people and their rights count for nothing before the almighty State. Everywhere else, what I said is quite accurate. The rest of don't live in a surveillance society where tips are enough to get things like that to happen, not even if a cop claims to believe the tipster. In the real world, a police officer has to swear that he can corroborate his suspicions with probable cause before any judge will grant a warrant to arrest or search. That, by definition, means he has seen a crime in progress or gathered evidence, not that he believed the word of someone else. If Germany suffers from having a much lower standard, that's too bad for you, but I suggest you ask an experienced officer about it before you continue to paint such a backward picture of law enforcement in your country. Remember, even in Germany or any other EU nation, the police and courts know the difference between reasonable suspicion and probable cause. It's time you learned it too. It still doesn't matter if downloading is illegal or not in Germany. Accessing or possessing such files is illegal virtually everywhere but those who accidentally downloaded and deleted such files are still in no greater danger because of it, since there is still no possibility of prosecution if they do not share the file and simply delete it, proving their innocence by action, and having never actually created any evidence against themselves. The download mesh is not enough to call probable cause. That's still just another uncorroborated tip or lead which they would have to follow up on to get a shared file list. Since an accidental downloader is not actively sharing the file, any browse host will not have the suspect file in it and more importantly will not show the usual suspect pattern of many more such files, therefore that lead will always be discarded in favour of real suspects with real collections of such files. In addition, even if they had an IP address to look at, any broad search for such files will never include them as a source, even if the police managed to connect to them as a peer. In fact, the lack of response to the files they were looking for would be proof of innocence as far as an investigator is concerned, and he or she will move on to the many suspects for which they actually do have large quantities of evidence. Please be more careful what you tell unsuspecting users, especially since you won't be the one running into problems from your info, but others might pay for your carelessness. You are so intent on scaring people unnecessarily over a theoretical danger which you hold dear but in fact has never actually occurred, or if it has was so rare and so quickly dismissed that it may as well have never happened at all. What you are saying is, in effect, that people's lives can be totally ruined by random chance simply because they used Phex, LimeWire or any other P2P to download anything at all. Do you really want to scare people away from P2P so much? |
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As for the rest of you ( and sageecl ), you should always be in control of what you share. Some P2P applications share the downloads folder by default, but you can easily change that. It has been a longstanding problem that some junk files and worms spread easily simply because so many people are sharing their downloads without first checking what they actually have. Also, don't forget to check the advanced settings for sharing of partial files, which enables your software to share bits and pieces of your downloads even before they are complete files on your own disk. Most software comes with this enabled by default too. If you take care of these two details there's no way you can ever be sued or charged for sharing anything you didn't intend to share. |
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Allowing the sharing of downloads and partial files, by default, is a disaster for all of us and should be considered as the definition of irresponsible file-sharing. |
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