"but you will be seen as a download candidate by people who also download the file"...

OK...that is close enough to what I was saying...of course if one has sharing disabled then they cannot be a true source for the file, but they still show up as apparently being one!....

I didn't pay exact attention to that project going on in New Jersey (the one that got blown out of the water by the whole MediaDefender setch), but I think that all they were doing is looking for people sharing files with a known hash value, and that was all that was needed to start proceedings against the offender....

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Note that sharing was the issue again. It always is.

Actually, showing up for a moment as a potential source for
the file would automatically trigger an additional search
through the same network. That's just normal police
procedure which doesn't require a warrant or even any form
of personal contact. But not showing up again as a source
and not being findable in a search for the same file and not
showing any suspect file in a browse is always going to
result in the same thing, being dropped for probable
suspects who do show up on the search and stay there.

The key concepts here are reasonable suspicion
and probable cause.

Reasonable suspicion is grounds for further investigation
but not a warrant, and only if that further investigation
brings up probable cause can any further action be taken.
It's as simple as that, and there's no getting around it. It's
the law everywhere in Europe, North America and all other
countries with a constitutional government and a highly
developed legal system. Any experienced police officer or
prosecutor will confirm it if you go and ask. This legal
principle goes right back to the days when modern law as
we know it was first brought forth and put into force.

There would never and could never be a warrant issued for
a single hit on a single download attempt and police would
never stop checking to avoid not finding corroborating
evidence just so they could beg for a warrant based on one
possible hit.

Show us one person in the whole planet who was ever even
questioned for an accidental download which they then deleted.
Just one will do. How many years did that one get?

Never, ever forget: The only thing that will get any
movement at all is a definite indication of sharing of such
files. That means documented verifiable proof that can be
brought to court. A possible indication of a download
attempt which may or may not have failed is not enough if
further investigation yields nothing. This is particularly true
when investigators already have plenty of probable cause
on dozens or even hundreds of other people to work on, and
we already know is happening everywhere because of reports
in the news on the topic.

Clinging to an untested theory for the sake of argument is
not helping those few people who come here for info about
what to do with accidental downloads. If you know
anybody in law enforcement or the courts ask them about
the distinction between reasonable suspicion and probable
cause, or search the web for articles that mention both
terms with that specific wording. Once this central and
basic concept of the law is made clear you will understand
a lot about how the law, the courts and the police work
together to protect the rights and privacy of people like you
and your fears will be somewhat relieved.

Quick! Somebody light a match!

Does anybody realize the significance of these moments ?

I can only assume that it is from the grim influence of Rip, but this is the absoposifugintootly only time I have ever seen a post from Peerless without his signature. (I used to like dolphins !)

I don't know... Do you think he looks fat in that ?

Weren't you two supposed to be in the arena?

Besides: Downloading matters in germany, and since I had to repeat it multiple times:
Talk to a lawyer:
- Internetrecht - filesharing

This also informs, that the new law was made in or before 2004 - downloading has been illegal for four years, now.

Canada was different in 2003 - i don't know the current situation:
- Canada deems P2P downloading legal - CNET News.com

But that the laws don't make sense, since p2p doesn't harm the media industry was clear in 2007 again:
- Official: P2P music not harming Canada | The Register

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And, to add to arne_bab's info >

http://www.gnutellaforums.com/lounge...w-changes.html

Check all files with Bitzi before downloading.
Avoid files that have "PTHC" (pre-teen hard core), or "hussy fan" in their name. I suggest you block those.
Delete anything that looks illegal.

The FBI took my friend's computer and found tons of files that he had deleted (and thought he had overwritten) on his hard drive. They found that he had (accidently) downloaded a few PTHC files, but he had immediately deleted them. (My friend is gay - he likes men, not children). He was not charged. They suggested he be more careful - see below. [His case had nothing to do with file sharing.]

The FBI says:
Say you get an illegal item in your mailbox. You trash it right away; no problem.
Get more illegal stuff and trash it immediately; you may have some explaining to do. Keep illegal stuff, even if you don't share it; go to jail.

Downloading child porn, even if you're just curious to see if it's real, encourages the criminals who make that krap; they like to be watched. Let's frustrate them.
There are international agencies that are working to catch these people.

So far it looks like they're getting better at it too. Let's hope this
means they'll be driven out of gnutella over the next few years as
they realize they have no real anonymity here.

If you want to read up on p2p, I'd suggest looking at Gnutella for Users - Gnufu

There you can find info how Gnutella works in a style which is easy to understand without having to dig RFCs first.

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