Radaral, what you have there is a hoax file put out by social activists who have
no real authority and certainly no right to carry the emblems in that image. Any
IP addresses they harvest from downloaders are utterly useless to real law
enforcement and they know it. That's just a scarecrow, and a weak one.

The best such groups can do is occasionally tip the authorities to illegal web
sites that people like us find and report, and even then we have more
legitimate channels to use for such reporting, like the Center for Missing and
Exploited Children in the US and other officially sanctioned groups in Canada, the
UK, Europe and elsewhere.

Aaron Thank you so much for replying.

Let's hope reason prevails when they see no indications your son actually
wanted that stuff. Shame on the *******s who pushed ahead on this even
though they had no corroborating evidence. They were obviously only
thinking of their own political fortunes. :D

OMG I cannot beleive you just said that I have had so many people say the same thing-- not that it makes a difference since they did decide to arraign him 1 year to the day that they arested him=strange again. thank you thank you for taking the time to reply to me because you can imagine as a Mom I am hysterical especially since this is the first time either of my kids has ever been in trouble :(::(:(

illegal porn
 

Just a note to people deleting stuff that they download accidentally.

Personally I would remove the hard drive, get the largest hammer I could find break it open and destroy the disks, then throw them into the nearest, biggest, deepest ocean/lake I could find. Only then I would sleep just a little better at night.
I hope I have not trivialized the subject with the above comment but I feel that is the length you have to go to.

This stuff destroyes your mind with worry. Murderers get shown more pity -compassion than a person caught with this stuff for some strange reason, no matter how they aquired it, not that I say its necessarily right but thats the tragedy of it, if you are found to have it or you may not even know its there you are doomed if caught. There will be innocent people of all ages out there now not knowing it may be lurking on their computer in some form or other. It may be hard to differentiate between these people so law eforcement probably think sod it, do them all best safe than sorry. Do they let people off if they can tell it was an accidental download? or do you get done regardless. I cant bear the thought of an person accidentally downloading it and jailed for it, terrible.

I dont know if i could trust an eraser to do it properly. Systems seem capable of squirreling stuff away into the depths of computers that no normal person or erasers may normally find.

well thats my garbled waffle on the subject, after my similar experiances as that of many other people in this forum, this is only limewire what of the many people using other file share applications, or am I just overeacting.

Internet Watch Foundation (IWF), combating child abuse images and criminal material online

http://www.ic3.gov/

Just stay away from that stuff and you will have nothing to lose sleep over.

:nono:

traceable or not?
 

I'm using mcAfee shredder tool to delete everything i remove, is this adequate in regard to above??:confused:

Should be. Don't forget to scrub out free space too, in case the file moved around before you wiped it.

My little advice for anyone in the future. If should you inadvertently downloaded one of the mislabeled files which turned to be a child pornography material - please immediately report it to the Cybertipline and law enforcements.

The computer crime investigator at my local police department (He is also part of my local county's procuestor office's computer crime unit) strongly recommend it to anyone. It happened to me once before in the past and I did what they recommended. Not reporting it is very worse thing that anyone could do in that situation, so please do the right thing. They will know what to do when you report to it and you wouldn't have to worry about get in the trouble because you reported.

Please report it or contact the proper authorities so you could get these sick scums off the P2P networks and internet.

Recommendations by many organizations including FBI which I posted in another thread awhile ago -
http://www.gnutellaforums.com/282823-post27.html

The very idea that the state requires you to become involved as an informant or else be
falsely branded a sex offender is utterly unconscionable.

In states where prosecutors are elected the danger that a prosecutor would commit such a
crime is very real and has been reported to occur more than once in the past few years. None
of these cases were as famous as the crime committed against the lacrosse players at Duke U,
but that is mostly because this is the kind of thing that is typically done in the dark, out of the
press and public scrutiny, as both the falsely accused and the criminal accuser want it that way.

Currently there is no safe way to submit an anonymous tip, and if you try to do so while
maintaining your anonymity you face the strong possibility of the above crime being
committed against you. Not all prosecutors behave in that way, but in governments where
they are rewarded for doing so, some will indeed do so and are criminal enough at heart or are
so blinded by the horror of kiddy porn that they feel no remorse for their crimes.

Until that situation changes for the better I suggest that one either jump in or jump away. If
you want to be an activist then go right ahead and take your chances. Just be sure they always
know you are "on their side" even if it becomes obvious you inadvertantly turned in another
innocent victim of a mislabelled file, or you may end up on the receiving end along with your
victim. In light of this ridiculous situation the most responsible and safest course at present,
if you accidentally downloaded a file of that kind, is to delete it securely and move on.

As always, I suggest in the strongest terms that it is best to avoid sharing incomplete
downloads and your downloads folder. If what you share is always under your complete
control than this horror story can never happen to you.

I have always advised the developers of gnutella programs that automatically sharing files
before a user can check them is dangerous for many reasons but they always dismissed such
warnings because "it's good for the network". Well, now some years have passed and we have
seen some of these false prosecutions, many examples of RIAA extortion against people who
didn't know what they were sharing, the rampant spread of worms and spammers taking
advantage of inadvertent sharing to flood the network and accusations levelled against the
developers themselves of inducing copyright infringement by causing this inadvertent sharing.

Perhaps now they will take another look and think it through this time.

Gotta love the law here in Kentucky -- you can have sex with a girl on her 16th birthday and it is all legal, but you can't snap a photo of her for another 2 years.

Added edit for those who like to twist things out of context: The point of the above statement is to illustrate (with a sarcastic flair) the manner in which laws don't line up with each other. It would seem that taking photographs of a 16 year old would be less of an issue than having sex with her, if one were simply looking at this from a logical point of view. But the law is completely reversed on this matter. (In Kentucky, it is legal for anyone of any age above 16 to have sex with any other willing person who is also over the age of 16; however, it is not legal to take a provocative picture --e.g. nudity -- of a person until he/she is at least 18 years of age.) For those out there who want to twist my statements to say something that they don't actually say -- I am NOT advocating any sort of improper activity with anyone of any age.

can a child be charged for pedophile laws?
i mean its normal for kids to want to see other kids. its natural

is it wrong fora kid to be seeing this
its natural that a kid would want to see another kid. so can a kid get in trouble with pedophile laws?

these last 3 posts rather disturb me...maybe I don't quite get the point of me112233, but I think mr. animal needs to take a bus about 15 miles south and stay there....

As far as I can tell there has never been an exemption for young offenders in pornography laws.

In the UK is possession and arrest only proved by actually finding the material on the persons computer, or can records/logs from things like the gnutella network be used to convict entirely by themselves?

Look up some recent cases. I don't think any lawyers from the UK hang out here. ;]

Actor Sentenced to 10 Months
 

Beez

As a UK resident you should be aware of the following case:

BBC NEWS | England | Kent | Langham sentenced over child porn


UK Bob

PS. If you want answers to questions only a solicitor can answer then ask a solicitor.

I dont think he was using any p2p software, he paid for it and he was found in possession and used "research" as an excuse, doesnt really wash does it

download restrictions
 

they can't be downloaded right, even if there are search results with KP vids they dont start downloading! so there's no problem at all!
i also possess a got damn KP vid, i downloaded a [edit] and its a got damn kiddy PPPPPPRRRN!!!!! :mad:
and now i cant download any vid that has a [edit] results!


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Edited to comply with the House Rules.
Warez, copyright violation, or any other illegal activity may NOT be linked or expressed in any form.

Beez

You have completely missed the point, he was not charged with downloading KP he was charged with possession of KP.

British law doesn't ask how you get KP its main tenet is that you possess it.


UK Bob

Thanks Bob, and do you know if this "possession" can be proved from possible accidental sharing or must it be found in the physical form on the persons computer, as many people in this thread have evidently accidentally come across this stuff with partial download sharing enabled and sharing their download folder before they could delete it.

I ask this because I dont remember anyone who has ever been arrested who wasnt found with this stuff on their computer (US cases as well)

Mmm....
 

This Can Be Blocked Right! Like Umm..... by File Size! Is it Possible?
Coz This Got Damn Kiddy Prns are Disguised by Other Names, Like after I Downloaded a Movie, and it's a Kiddy Prn, You Don't Even Know if it's a Kiddy Prn or the Movie you have searched and downloaded! and I think I already shared some kiddy prns, ok.... when im downloading i just leave it their whole day! and the finished downloads are shared(the disguised kiddy prns), and i noticed that the movie i just downloaded has so many uploads! after i checked it damn it's a kiddy prn!!! :mad:
Note: no worries i always delete it right away!! but so sad i already shared some unnoticed!

Thats why you see check your video files with Bitzi before you download them. It is recommened on these forums countless times EVERYDAY OVER AND OVER and some people just don't pay attention, like RBIN.

Links below explain how to use Bitzi :D

Fake files showing up in search results

How to find music (tips for video also)

Stop sharing your download folder. Anybody can do it.

Who says the pictures of nude girls are porn... The Russian girls at some of the nudie sites are the sweetest chicks on the web.

Pornography is when these same sweet chicks are being sexually assaulted or abused, anyone who checks the mainstream sites looking for piccy's of nude girls, is very soon going to be confronted with images of very young people undergoing abuse, indeed torture, beatings, r*pe... so where the hell is the FBI.

In many countries girls are routinely wed in their early teens, in much of Africa a woman will be a grandmother while still in her thirties, Jesus mother was said to have been married at fifteen, even as she was with child.

So what is wrong with a younger girl putting her photographic portfolio on the net if she wants to... if the money is right, and the conditions under which the shots are taken comply with the models union rules... and where they can rely on police protection against exploitation and abuse, and lets get the pornographers arrested and off the street, and a few rules in the industry.

None of that changes the law and yes, any nude pictures of posing girls is porn, underage or not.

BBBF

Just to add to Aaron's post:I would go further and say that "Any nude picture is porn" because no one really knows where art ends and porn starts, and as such, it is a very murky area which can only be decided in a court of law.

The simple fact that you like a certain type of pictures possession of which would get you arrested in the UK (and I suspect in the US and Canada as well) and you would probably end up doing time.

Also, the fact that throughout the world the age of consent is variable, depending on custom, religion and upbringing cuts "no ice" with the laws on possession of KP, so if you are caught in the UK with a nude picture of your child bride (i.e. under 16) you would still be arrested.

Suffice to say, you have a dubious pastime that could, one day, get you into a lot of trouble



UK Bob

Mmm....
 

I'm Really New with LimeWire and I Don't Even Know that Bitzi!
But with AaronWalkhouse Suggested... Mmmm.... I Need to Check for the Videos to Know if it's a KP or Not! Ummm... NO! Don't Even Want to Look at it! Coz It Really Does Damage Me Psychologically and Mentally! Umm... Example of When you See Little Kids you See a Flashback of Those Videos that you Just Saw Even in a Matter of Seconds!

Ok..... Maybe I Go Check on Bitzi!

Hehehe! Sorry for the Long Explanation's There! But with the Psycho, Mental Damage that I Have Said! It Sounds Crazy but it's True! So Don't Watch those Vids Even if you Don't Intent to Watch it or Your Just Checking it! :nono:

Junior Member Rbin

You must be so fragile you can't even watch the news, what with the recent plane crashes and war in Iraq, you must be constantly on edge.


UK Bob

Hey, this isn't related to p2p or Gnutella, but people here seem to be knowledgeable about this stuff. The other day I signed up for an adult website. The website looks completely legal, it used CCbill, it explicitly states that all girls are over 18, and advertised that they were, specifically, "18yrs to 22yrs." Just like any other adult website.

However, some of the videos I downloaded... a few of them seem pretty young, like they could be 16 or 17. I've canceled my subscription and deleted everything I downloaded just in case. I'm still not sure they were under 18, but I don't want to take any chances. However, today I've been thinking that what if they were, and the authorities shut the website down... they'll have my credit info, so I went searching for any info I could find that would be useful about this, and stumbled on this discussion. I found out from reading this that deleting doesn't actually completely remove the files from the hard drive, which I didn't know before.

Anyway... I guess I'm asking, even if I was under the impression that the website I signed up for was completely legal, and they advertised that as such, and I canceled my subscription as soon as I had suspicions to the contrary, I'm assuming I'll still be in trouble? I'm really getting kind of worried about this.

Yeah, just so you know I'm not lying about the site looking legit, here it is (Definitely NSFW): NSFW Again, I'm still not sure there's anything illegal there, but I don't want to take any chances.

Oh, and I'm not too computer savvy, how can I scrub (Or whatever it's called.) my hard drive? Just in case, I want this stuff off my computer. I already deleted the files, so I can't use any of those ways of deleting them, is there anything I can do about it at this point?

Oh, and also somebody had: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1.../newavatar.png as their sig earlier in the thread... that's just a joke, right? About the IP being logged because of breaking the law?

Web Servers
 

Sykes85

Let me tell you what I know (and suspect) based on my own knowledge and experience.

You asked:Well, all web servers that you surf log your IP address, eg. When you first log onto this forum you have to enter your username and password. The next time you enter the forum the server knows who you are and lets you in without asking for your username and password.

That is done by the server putting a cookie on your computer when you first visit and on the second visit comparing the info in the cookie against what it has stored about you in its log.

And that is the normal state of affairs when surfing the web.

You also asked:As far as I understand it, under British law you have done nothing wrong because, as far as you were concerned, this was a legitimate web site and as soon as you suspected it wasn't you deleted everything you downloaded. Providing that you do not go back to this site, or any similar sites, you should be OK.

As for the deleted images on your HD, first you should defrag your HD on a weekly basis. This will not delete everything in one go but as long as you continue to used your HD normally and do regular defrags the deleted images will eventually be completely overwritten.

There are file deletion utilities that can completely wipe the images off your HD but to use such a utility you would first have to restore the image files you deleted, which is not a good idea.

Hope this helps.


UK Bob

I live in the US, actually, so not sure how the laws differ. And my question about the IP log was somebody's sig had a picture that displayed the words

Here's the link to the picture:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1.../newavatar.png

That was a joke, right, and not just something showing up for me? Why would this thread prompt that?

Another question, what would a PC Recovery or System Restore do to help? In combination with defragging? Should I do one before the other?

Sykes85

You asked:I saw the picture but because that organisation is American there is no way I can know whether it is true or not. However, as American and British law are very similar it is highly unlikely that you can be prosecuted for anything.

You also asked:Nothing, just defrag once a week as advised.


UK Bob

The obvious illiteracy should have tipped you off that the image is an amateurish
bluff and that the perpetrators have no connection to law enforcement. The person
who chose to use it as an avatar probably gets the joke.

Any secure deletion program worth a download can also scrub the free space on the
disk and the "recycle bin", so "undeleting" the files should not be necessary.

Would Eraser be one of the ones worth the download?

Maybe. Try it and see. ;]

Eraser
 

Sykes85

Just been through Eraser's "Quick Start Guide":

Eraser - secure data erase tool to scrub files on your hard drive - FREE

And it seems to do everything that you want, including scrubbing unused disk space.

I might download this utility myself.


UK Bob

Here is my question. Say you downloaded a movie file and when u attempted to open it the it wouldn't open and it won't allow you to delete it or play it and the name suggests questionable material. How would one go about removing said material?

That was probably one of those damaged files.
It doesn't actually contain any questionable material.
You can delete it with this thing ==> UNLOCKER 1.8.5 BY CEDRICK 'NITCH' COLLOMB

Thanks for the file. I downloaded it and got rid of one file i had that wouldn't delete. But the files i am talking about do absolutely nothing. When I try to delete them or play them nothing happens. when i right click them the only options I get are open, play with or in multiple programs or send to. And none of the options work. Any advice?

Highlight them and hold the shift key down while pressing the delete key.
If it fails, Unlocker will pop up and give you the opportunity to unlock and delete them.
If even that fails, Unlocker will give you the option to have Windows automatically delete
it on the next bootup, and that never fails. ;]

Oh, and sometimes renaming with any useless extension like .tmp makes them easier to delete too.

unfortunately holding shift while hitting the delete key did nothing but make the icon blink. And it won't even give me the option to rename it.

If such basic functions are disabled, it's time to get another antivirus scanner and some new antispyware tools.

Move out all the good files and try to delete the whole folder at once.

If Unlocker never did pop up, did you disable the helper app?

Nope. and I just got a new version of pc cillen

Have you tried Safe Mode? Maybe some active program is interfering with Explorer and Safe
Mode might let Windows start without it.

In any case you do have a serious problem and you should get somebody to put hands on and fix it.

Is it Art or Porn, especially where children are concerned
 

Hi Forum Members

As if to illustrate my point of over a week ago:

http://www.gnutellaforums.com/288638-post128.html

I have come across this BBC article about a photograph that was seized by police from an art gallery:

BBC NEWS | Magazine | What's the difference between art and porn?

The collection of photographs are owned by Elton John and were taken by an eminent photographer Nan Goldin.

The authorities are currently trying to decide whether to prosecute or not.


UK Bob