wow....now that's a true act of fairness from an admitted LW basher...lol...

note: I've flown on a plane twice in the past 28 years....round trips...once from San Francisco to San Antonio, and once from here to Atlanta for my grandmother's funeral...and have never flown out of Los Angeles...flew quite a few times when I was much younger out of San Jose...the point being I was clueless about the SNA issue ;)

The whole rant was ... well... :rofl:

Hey, Peerless !

I think I've finally found my first fan club member !!! :w00t:

btw... Marion wasn't very tall, either !
Not exactly Alan Ladd Munchkin-like, but gittin' thar !!!

Mind you, old Marion did have the singular line in a movie that absolutely defines the great Dumfukistani ethos...

"You get your crew out there, in the morning, sober and on time !"

hallelujah !!! hallelujah, hallelujah !!!!!!!! u.s.w.

Underaged nudity on the Gnutella network
 

:mad::yikes: On Monday August 4, my brother was given a prison sentence for having deleted file names that insinuated kp, theses files could not be verified, but just the fact of having words is enough to send you to the cooler. He had got these files of limewire, which looked as innocent as any music file you choose to download, during the download the file name changed which he only realised when he went back to his pc, he deleted them off immediatley. There was also an uploader on his pc which the prosecution failed to mention to the judge. When my brother went to give his plea, he was only shown the case file 1 hour before, his barrister advised him to enter a guilty plea otherwise he would get 18yrs, so this is what he did. The prosecution then announced that they had made an exaggeration, which the judge did not seem to impressed with & ordered a pre trial revue, his barrister announced that he had not been advised about this or he would of advised a not guily plea. My brother had his revue & on Monday we went back to court for sentence, we were advised he was a low risk & unlikely to be a risk, but he is in denial, all because he maintains he is not into this type of sick **** & if anyone ever touched his siblings kids he would be in court on a different matter. We went ino the court room to a different judge,the prosecution went over the old stuff that he had already said they exaggerated (possibly due to being a different judge & the local press being there) but also admitted these files could not be verified, he also said there was a vid of a girl tied to a bed performing oral sex, a play on word i guess, as i use the word 'girls' if im going for a night out with my mates & some of them are in there 40's. I got the impression this judge had made his mind up the minute he walked in the court room, he passed sentence of 6 months for each offence (which had already been previously advised of an exaggeration & not being able to verify theses files) the sentence totals 7yrs. Unfortunatley barristers, judges & solicitors are not computer savvy, they are dinosaurs in this area & the police know this & use it to there advantage. The police & courts are not interested in the why's & wherefore's just the fact they can recover words of your computers memory is enough to convict you. I know dozens of people this has happened too even my own kids tell me it has happened to them on an old computer we had, thank god we don't have it anymore. I have been on my brothers computer many times & never seen anything underhand, he would never let me on it if he did as he knows what a nosey cow i am. Yes, i have noticed a few adult porn sites he has viewed but what young or old lad dosn't look at adult porn even girls for that matter.
What i am saying is, in the eyes of the law it does not matter how kp got onto your computer, the fact that it is there is enough to put you in prison & the sex offenders register. It is scary **** & those that download it to keep & distribute are the one's that need seeing to. My brother refuses to lie & say that is what he is into to satisfy the legal system, if he had said what they want to hear, he would be free. :mad2:

How?
 

It is really rotten that the justice system (should I use that word) treated him that way. Police, prosecutors and judges are all in a business which is rated on its conviction rate. Just like a retailor of gasoline does not care if you're are suffering because of the recent increased cost of gasoline the prosecutor cares only about his conviction rate. The police their arrest rate. And of course what judge doesn't want to seems tough on child porn?

Innocent you say? "Yeah they all say that" they'll tell their cronies at the pub tonight.

How did the fact that these deleted subjects had been downloaded come to the attention of the authorities?

So what you are saying is that your brother had 14 files on his computer that where in relation to KP....He accidentally downloaded 14 files is that correct ??

All sounds a little suss to me...The authorities where obviously watching him for a reason...

Dont Download it
 

At the end of the day, if the title says 12 yr old etc, dont down load it, you dont want it, so ignor it, download the older ladies like me lol.

If you dont download it, you wont get into trouble, and lets be honest only pedo's want to download it, so they deserve to be caught anyway. Perverts

Im not joking look for NUDE holiday pics tina :rolleyes_2: :xeri_ok1ani: and look at me instead :idea:

Miss Angry

I, too, question why the authorities were looking into your bro's computer.

Charged with posession of child porn, when the only evidence is 14 filenames that could not be verified? A prosecutor admitting to "exaggerating" criminal charges? A lawyer telling a defendant to plead guilty at arraignment? (With only one hour to prepare for a case, the standard practice is to plead 'not guilty' and waive time. The plea may change at a later date - after further review of the case and discussion with the DA.) Was this in the US (what city, state)?

If the "girl tied to a bed..." was made to appear underage (even if she was over 18), and the title implied child porn, then posession of the file could be a criminal offense. But you said he was downloading music.

A program that changes the filenames as I'm downloading them is a new one on me.

Nasty stuff here!!!
 

I hope I am not out of line here but I was at address: 96.20.121.169:43230 (197) and observed some of the raunchiest named kp files I've ever seen ...Thanks for your attention

What were you doing there inonit?

in answer
 

i browse folks who download from me and I wound up there as he/she was downloading a file

you weren't 'there'...you totally misstated your concept...

you can report that IP address here: CyberTipline

you should log the time/date of the incident so that they may properly investigate...it also helps to take a screenshot of what is on your screen (i.e. their shared items)...

well..
 

would two underage teens sending nude pictures or videos to each other be against the law? :whistling:

No it should not be!!

Who says the pictures of nude girls are porn... the Russian girls at some of the nudie sites are the sweetest chicks on the web, pornography is when these same sweet chicks are being sexually assaulted, or abused.

In many countries girls are routinely wed in their early teens, in much of Africa a woman will be a grandmother while still in her thirties... Jesus mother was said to have been married at fifteen, even as she was with child.


So what is wrong with a younger girl putting her photographic portfolio on the net, if she wants to!!


The problem I have is that the sites, and the web servers that have pictures of **** torture and murder, some of which have been running for years, are not prosecuted.



So where the hell is the FBI, and when are the studios that produce this kind of material gonna be raided and the webmasters prosecuted!!


Recently there were forty one prosecutions levied in this country (Australia,) against persons whose only crime was that they clicked onto a website.


That website was an entrapment site, that was only up for twelve hours and had three million hits!!




The latest is that every email and every website every person has visited, is to be kept on Government sponsored information banks for one year, whats gonna stop there being massive roundups and massive arrests, of ppl whose only crime is that they like pics of nude chicks!!

Paige145
Yes (in the US).

BBBF
Film is forever. Remember Miss America returning her crown after her earlier photos appeared in Penthouse?
The decision to pose nude should not be taken lightly, especially in a society where photos may prove detrimental to one's career. It is one of the many decisions that must not be made by an immature person. The cute chick at age 16 may find that she has a talent for teaching at age 24. And no telling how her future spouse would feel about those photos.

Something tells me that those Russian girls you mention are not well-compensated for their modeling. And I see no connection between young grandmothers and photos of underage girls.

I suppose you would be proud to have your friends see how hot your mom was at 16.

Not necessarily changes the filename, but you end up with a file of same file-hash (identical file content) but with another name, perhaps the original name. So the original file chosen to download was probably a masked file with a less suspicious file name. Once you've been using gnutella network for quite a while you will notice files you download sometimes have a different filename to the one you actually chose to download. Perhaps this is still good because you end up with what you want, else you end up with something else because it was a poor choice in the beginning.

As old as the post is, Leeware's post here is quite relevant now: Quality of Content on the Network

If you wish to filter it all out ... or much of it, see Direct instructions to eliminate porn & other marketing junk from results

You need to Look for a real Woman...
 

I would use this for Music etc, and maybe follow a lnk to FoxPro or X Hamster for your Porn.

You'll find me there too.... xxxx

pedo-files
 

Well, after being bugged to return to Limewire and Gnut. Forums I'll post again. Previously, I tried to get Limewire to ban and delete underage porn. It is sick, sick, sick. I can't, like most people who post on this issue, believe there are adults who would subject a child to these sorts of things. The moderators tended to defend the pedos under the banner of freedom of speech, or, that if they start banning certain people, then it will lead to banning other people on other issues. I still believe pedos should be banned and p2p, especially Limewire, and has the tools to do it. Now, the Canadian gov. has come up with the bright idea of proposing legis. requiring YOUR server (the place you subscribe for your internet connection) to report all subscribers' IP addresses downloading KP. They will probably forward all subscribers who download even regular, good and healthy porn. For those in other countries, don't cloak yourself in your flag, thinking it won't happen in your country.
Things we can do to stop child porn on the net: don't download anything that is labelled (tagged: KP,PtHC...);use your 'filter' to filter out words such as e.g. '10yr', '9 yr' '11 yr old' ...; block users who have pedo-files; never save, and immediately delete all such files; delete, shred, dump... browsing, cookies history.Remember, you can't trust p2p,limewire, law enforcement, judges or the courts, to bring any sense to this issue. It is up to you, not them. Perhaps, until the problem is resolved, don't download any porn.

LimeWire still can't ban child porn. The people who share it willingly will just change the files minimally and the ban won't work anymore.

In gnutellaforums, everyone who talks about where to find childporn is banned as soon as a moderator sees the post.

(but I can believe that there are adults who would harm children that way. If there weren't these sick people, then child porn would simply not exist.)

What Phex does to keep child porn from spreading is having a "nasty file filter" which is on by default and hides files with keywords which suggest that the file contains child porn. Luckily a brave user (who wants to stay anonymous) supplied us with a list of keywords to ban.

But you won't ever be able to completely "resolve" the issue without curing society, which means that society must stop destroying people psychically to the extend that these people feel the need to harm children to keep their own damaged psyche from breeaking. Sadly our world currently goes into the opposite direction and produces more and more psychically broken people.

Every war, every famine, every mobbing in class and every destruction of jobs creates psychically injured people, and a tiny minority of these break down so far that they harm children sexually to feel strong.

Besides: Many more people harm children in nonsexual ways. And often these are the religious "good guys" who want to impose their morals on the children. That's abuse, too, and sadly it's still tolerated and even supported by many.

Downloaded by accident?
 

Aquatik above has summed up what I've been saying all along. The abusers are not the ones who accidently download this content.

First don't download anything labeled as such.

Second preview anything you download. If its suspicious stop the download.

Get a free shredder from Download.com and shred any file and preview you have downloaded that is suspect.

That alone is enough to do it. Remember the law says thou shalt not [B]possess[B]. If you don't got it you don't got it. You don't possess it.

Go ahead and clear your cookies and browse history. Its easy enough to learn how. Its not necessary but for peace of mind do it if you want.

I'll guarantee this that if Canada passes laws making it illegal to download they will catch some poor ******* probably a high school kid who doesn't know what he's doing. This kid will have his life ruined because he downloaded a picture of what he could have seen in person by dating the right girl. He will be persecuted, jailed, registered and fined. This will continue until some big-wig kid gets caught and the system is brought to its senses.

The Mafia was beaten somewhat into submission not by arresting the guys highjacking trucks but by putting the Godfathers in jail for tax evasion, corruption of public officials and conspiracy. Law enforcement money is better spent on finding the guy behind the camera. They've done it and they can do it again. In fact they're trying to do it right now.

Once Limewire is controlled EVERYTHING on it will be controlled.

I buy the Pro to help keep their defense fund full.

for people that dont know get peer guardian and on the phoenix labs site at the bottom right of the page click the I-Blocklist link theres a (pedophiles) list of known pedofiles. you can use it to create a list to block them in peerguardian click list manager/add put a check next to add url and at the top in description) name it somthing like p2p1 click ok it could help.

So...what does everyone think about that Matthew White CP Case? Do you think its fair/true? I'm a little confused as to the 1 year wait...or if it was really only a couple files...most of the cases i've seen where people get busted are people that are actively sharing a decent amount of CP for at least a month...but again idk how the FBI and what not work with these cases..What does everyone else think/know?

'Accidental' Download Sending Man To Prison - cbs13.com

heres the link if you havent heard of/read the story.

Howdy bci, and welcome to the Gnutella Forums!

Claiming that CP was not the kind of porn that he intended to download was not his best move; he was either too honest and/or too stupid. However, if only one file on his machine could be classed as CP, and it was deleted two-years ago, (evidence of a mistake, rather than a repeat offender), then the proceedings against him are a huge waste of resources and an apparent violation of the legislative intent of the law.

However, imho, the FBI is not above ruining this young man's life in order to discourage ("illegal") p-p. How many people will be deterred after hearing that the kid got busted after accidently downloading only one file? Makes Limewire sound scary.

Hi BCI & Blackhorse 70V

I would've thought that the FBI should be out catching terrorist and organised criminals rather than busting a kid, barely out of his teenage years, for downloading porn.

You know, this seems to be about catching people out rather than justice or catching real criminals, i.e. the producers and distributors of CP.

All I can say is that it seems that the US is becoming more like China or Russia everyday where the law is used to keep ordinary citizens in their place, rather than protect, and justice is a joke.


UK Bob

They do it under the guise of "general deterrance". I might believe that, if I had also read that a few producers of CP were busted. Surely there are a few idiots out there who download a lot of CP and then share or seed it. And they should be easier to find that a kid with one deleted file.

Haven't heard of any bankers or Wall Streeters going to jail, either (but at least we know that Martha Stewart learned her lesson!).

'Tis a thin line that separates top criminals from top officials.

or you could say there is one law for the wealthy and another law for people who have to use public defenders.

Well see, what I'm confused about the most is how they showed up a year after he had downloaded it/deleted it. What if that files(s) was over written, or what if that hard drive had been replaced? Going after someone a year after something happens, without any other recent evidence, would seem a bit...outrages/unethical/dangerous on THEIR part. I'm just curious as to how they even got a warrant...If they went there and couldn't find anything in his possession, i don't believe they would have even been able to charge him with anything..however i have seen a case where someone really did get nabbed a year after they downloaded some(3 files), but they were sharing it and an officer downloaded it from them. However, they didnt threaten him with any jail time, or made him register as a sex offender. He just couldnt be around kids alone. They also found 16 other files on his computer after they confiscated it. And this is just my oppinion, but I'm thinking the only reason they went after him a year later was because he was still sharing those files..

Idk..this is confusing..lol

Bad news guys:
 

ukbobboy01 said: "I would've thought that the FBI should be out catching terrorist and organised criminals rather than busting a kid, barely out of his teenage years, for downloading porn".

The FBI is no different than any other law enforcement organization. Their agents are promoted and slapped on the back for one thing and one thing only. Arrests. If they can arrest some 16 year old kid for looking at a naked 17 year old kid then they will. Oh they'll claim its in the name of ....bla bla bla... but in fact arrests are the name of their game.

Prosecutors are the same - they are interested in convictions alone - forget common sense.

Why do you think a girl was arrested for SENDING a nude picture of HERSELF to a boy who was ALSO arrested? Ruin a kids life? Who cares as long as the law enforcement officer gets a check mark on their score card.

I, too, question how the FBI knew about the file, and why they took so long. Indeed, they risked not finding anything (young nerds frequently swap out drives).

Then there's no telling who got p'd off after their kid downloaded a nasty, and then called their friend - the Senator, A.G., judge...

Guys

I too find that there are "holes" in this story, for example unless this youngster's Limewire app was secretly communicating with the FBI (which is possible) how could they possibly know he had this objectional material?

Also, usually the authorities and the record industry can only find out if you have something if it is being shared in your "Share and Imcomplete" folders.

Unless told otherwise, I can only believe that this youngster must have inadvertantly shared these dodgy files over a period of time and then deleted them.

Even so I still think that the FBI catching this kid only warrants giving him a caution/warning rather than a conviction.


UK Bob

bobby, I COMPLETELY agree!
he says he deleted it right away...even if he deleted it out of his limewire library, wouldnt it have, at the very least, not been shared anymore? It just seems odd that they would go after him "about a year later"(with out any other occasions of him sharing illegal images), and STILL slap him with jail time and make him register as a sex offender. Whats even weirder to me is, they are charging him with possession...i don't think they could do that if he really couldnt access the files him self..i mean they could have charged him with creating(when the image shows up on your screen) but not possession...and too true, every case i've seen where someone got busted for having these files on the gnutella network, got busted for sharing them. i don't think downloading a few and deleting them asap would really count as sharing, ecspecially when they would have "bigger fish" sharing a ton of files with out any discretion.

Over the past few years many have come here and complained about accidently downloading CP (and often demanding that Limewire do something about it). Indeed, this thread is 34 pages!

Never heard of any of them getting busted. The FBI didn't come after me, and I got a couple of CP files that were mis-named. Another file I downloaded by accident was actually labeled PTHC and turned out to be a Betty Boop cartoon. I changed the name and kept the file.

To the FBI: The disk with the CP crashed so I got a new computer and recycled the old one. And I am certain Ms Boop was over 18 when she made the film.

Mis-guided advise.
 

I've engaged a few people in this thread, including a monitor, in conversation about getting investigated by police and other agencies.

When actually asked for details of past arrests the monitor finally had to admit he fabricated or enhanced stories to scare people away from downloading porn. He actually scared the wits out of some 16 yo who came here for advise on how to permanently get rid of a file and had the kid looking down the block for cop cars.

It's clear that the cops at all levels of government are after the uploaders as that's where the money is. The only guy I heard about being busted for downloading was doing it in a public library. :rolleyes:

The only reason I monitor this thread is to make sure more kids don't have the crap scared out of them and fortunately I haven't see any such activity in over a year.

You know OC

As a person that has always favoured education and knowledge over fear and ignorance, which can be used as tools for bullying, I believe that this "monitor" is wrong in his approach.

Using fear to scare youngsters looking for help and reassurance could have all sorts of unforeseen consequences, some of which could be far worse then a kid giving himself up to the cops.


UK Bob

IC Orange is whining yet again...and he/she/it is exaggerating/falsifying the facts..

this 'conversation' he/she/it refers to dates to ca. July, 2008...

OC was warned about his/her/its ranting and such during that period of time (yep, I've got all the PMs to prove it)...

I'll stand by my thoughts that a little dose of fear is not a bad thing....let's face it, its illegal and even if gotten by mistake it needs to be burned off of a HDD and the lesson learned...even knowing the lesson one might still mistakenly acquire illegal files, but a lesson learned is a lesson learned...there's an old saying....'curiosity killed the cat'...file names that indicate illegal pron should not incite a state of 'curiosity', neh?

you keep up your krap OC and we will ban you this time as opposed to warning you like in the past....

UK Bob,

I have always held to my motto: Educate, don't legislate!

When presented with all the facts, most people will choose the correct course. Many vice behaviors are unlawful; yet the law discourages few. When people learn why something is wrong, laws become unnceessary.

Some educators have begun teaching Internet Etiquette, which includes warnings against satisfying one's curiosity, as Peerless mentioned. (I think the course should be titled Internet Ethics. But alas, the teaching of Ethics in high school was dropped long ago.)

Haha..Betty Boop..that made my day..lol.

Anyways, I really do hope that this kid is full of it..i really do hope they wouldnt go after someone with so little evidence(calling someone a peadophile is a big deal, not something that i would imagine anyone would do so in a manner of assumption)..do you think it's possible that he maybe searched for it out of curiosity, downloaded a few videos, saw them, delelted them, never did it again, but that was all it took? I know they usually catch people sharing the files, but could it be possible that they knew he searched for it and downloaded it? I havent seen any case where they went after someone because they saw they were searching for it, but hey you never know..

Scary
 

Are you that small peer? You have to ban dissent? Others here agree that honest replies work more than empty threats. Like Blackhorse and ukbobboy said education is king. If expressing an opinion that your tact is wrong headed is all it takes to get me banned then do so. I've said it before and I'll say it again - scaring a kid does far more harm than good. Its far better to tell the truth. Then when the truth really is scary they'll listen.

It's exactly the same as drug use. Tell them the truth and likely as not they'll leave it alone. The truth is scary enough all by itself.

That kid we disagreed about didn't need scaring. He was already scared. All he wanted was advise on how to get rid of the stuff he already didn't want.

If this opinion is so scary to you then I guess this will be my last post.

yep....enjoy it...

people ought to know better than you light a match next to a can of gasoline...sheeshus...

secondly said people should also be aware that there are consequences to lying...

my case
 

i recently gave my computer to the police in which they found 5 cp videos. I had not been sharing them to my knowledge, and i didnt know of them. I have a pornography addiction (diagnosed professionally) and there was around 400 videos and 600 pictures. Think of my addiction as a hoarding addiction to pornography. I only watched around 20 videos, the same ones, but would spend hours (around 4 a day) mass downloading.
Even though i do have a problem, which i am in counseling for, and the videos werent watched i believe they will still come at me full force.
Its been about 3 weeks since they had it, i contacted a lawyer and ready to fight.
If anyone has any tips or advice for me, please...

Well, where did you get these files from(I'm assuming through the Gnutella network, but I don't want to make an assumption)? If you were mass downloading, and never deleted any of the files you downloaded, Its extremely possible you could have downloaded these files and had been sharing them for quite some time. If you were using Limewire, It comes standard to share every file you download (unless you specifically tell it not too, most people don't know this). Alot of people have come across this stuff before using p2p, but delete it immediately, and for the most part, end up being fine. However, if you download this stuff, accidentaly or otherwise, and don't delete it, it would give authorites the right to believe that you were sharing these files on purpose, thus giving them the reason to go after you and confiscate your computer. Word to the wise, always check every file you download.

Did they by chance tell you how long they were monitoring those files you had on your computer?

Frost158

As BCI said, it is highly likely that you were sharing these CP files because, unless your app is configured otherwise, LW will share all your downloads by default.

Also, there are so many files marked with false names it is quite easy to download what you think are ordinary files and on inspection find that they are something else.

I guess you will have to convince the authorities that you did not know you had these files and, I suspect, did not know you were sharing them as well.


UK Bob

Update for anyone interested in that Matthew White case. Apparently, according to his plea agreement on PACER, he's pleading guilty to 150 images of S&M (the really bad stuff) CP.

Assuming this is true, it seems as though the storys of people getting busted in by police/FBI/any authorites for accidentaly downloading CP, and deleting it right away, still remains to be a myth.

Is S&M illegal in the US then?

Agreed. Ultimately, the authorities know that they may have to present their evidence before a jury. I hope the day comes when they have to look long and hard to find people with one deleted CP file. Collectors of CP collect images. I am sure authorities can find a wealth of cases, with hundreds of videos, leading to easy convictions, without potentially having a jury worry about ruining a lad's life for one such offense.

Well, no, not for adults. lol.

When I said "the really bad stuff", I meant that these wern't just images of naked kids....get my drift?

I understand it's easy to fall on this stuff every once in a while using gnutella, but to have so many images of a particular kind of stuff, tells me that person was looking for it. These images being S&M is most deffinently why he got that kind of a jail sentence.

Blackhorse 70V
I think you're right when you said that they need enough evidence to possibly win over a jury. Which is why I'm almost certain that they go after people that are sharing these files. One, because they have to be sharing these files in order for the police to download it off of them, and two they want them to still be sharing these files when they go after them so that they know they are going to be in possession of these files when they get there.

Personally, I'm not sure how much longer they're going to really focus on gnutella to catch these people. I guarantee you the real predators are long gone from this network. There's too much press in relation to all the "tracking software" and what not that is being used to hunt these people down. The only people they are going to catch now are a few idiots, and kids. Which, if you notice some of the arrests lately, are exactly just that.

my nams is james just hii to everybody

Hello, James, am LeeRoy
glad 2 join this board, cheers! ;)

frost158
 

Frost158 my first question is WHY? Something to do with the help you're receiving?

Your only recourse here is to tell the truth and vigoriously appose the fact that you KNOWINGLY downloaded the stuff. The volume you're talking about makes it pretty clear that this was a minute amount of your collection.

This is no time to skimp on lawyer fees.

Meanwhile be prepared for the worst our society is going through a freaky time on this subject and similar subjects. Today parents see a kidnapper behind every bush. If my memory serves me right there were perhaps 12 or 20 - I can't remember - [I]non-family[I] kidnappings in the US last year.

The keys are to strongly deny you had knowledge that there were underage people in the videos - that you never watched them - it was just part of a compulsive act to hoard the images for which you are now under treatment for. Make sure its emphasized that you willingly turned over the CP without altering its content. You had nothing to fear when doing so.

I wish I was on your jury - but my best advise is if you can plead this out to a misdemeanor do so. But of course listen to your attorney and push him to get the charges dropped if possible.

Have you searched the web for a forum for people who have been unjustly charged or overly punished (the lifetime registration as an example)? Do so and see what help is on-line.

Curious, frost158 said he turned his computer over to the police, but he did not say why he did that.