Underage Nudity Being Shared On The Gnutella Network - Porn and Laws
 

Hi,

While downloading normal porn I've seen some files that claim to be of underage models.

Since so many ppl on limewire go for this underage crap, it got me thinking. Is it illegal to have files of models under the age of 18?

I read some article about limewire and it sounded like the FBI was going after the people who made the underage movies, not just people who happened to have it on their computer.

Can anyone clarify this for me plz?

If you end up with Underage material on your computer you better errase it a.s.a.p. rather than binning it.
Spybot S&D has a errase function.
Just don't leave it on your harddrive, and especially NOT in your shared folder.
Downloading by accident is one thing, but having available for upload.........

Thanks for the advice but my question was about the legality of it. Is it possible for someone to get punished for having KP on their computer?

As you mentioned in your post it's possible to accidentally download such material. So I think it'd be dumb to punish someone just for HAVING it. I'm all for the FBI cracking down on the people who MADE it, but I think it'd be a waste of money to lock someone up just for watching a movie or looking at some pics...

Well it all depends on the law of the country where you live.
But in general posessing KP is illegal, no matter where you live.
The people that produce it are the worst offenders, helping to spread it makes you involved as well, and "just" having it on your computer well ..... perhaps you might get away with it in some countries......
But it sure doesn't give a healthy impression now would it ?

Illegal Porn
 

Dear LW Users

As far as UK law is concerned, possession of KP is illegal, distribution or any other reason doesn't come into it, if you are found in possession of this stuff then you are guilty of an offense.

So if you have accidentally downloaded this stuff, not files with false names, you delete it , and as suggested by RaaF, use Spybot or some other utility that can wipe this stuff off your hard disk because normal windows deletion will not be enough.

It would also be a good idea to filter out all adult material in your search in order to avoid anything that is too unpleasant.




UK Bob

And on a mac you'd use Secure Empty trash as compared to the normal routine. Or to make doubly sure a utility like norton's wipe info which gives you the option of wiping a folder or empty space to clear any traces of data.

In the USA yes it is. There are numerous States that have specific laws that cover this. For example in New Mexico you can receive a Life Sentence for having such material on your hard drive.

You will need to check your Local, State, or National Laws.

But personaly I think any one who has this type of material is a real sicko, and should get what they have coming.

You mean something like a cold shower & bending over to pick up a bar of soap with a queue behind you? :eek: :D

In most countries it is, if not in all. In fact, last week there was an international band caught in different countries and all of them were jailed.

Ivan
In the dark we make a brighter light

Ditto Australia, if you have kp on your computer you'll be charged with possession of kp; if anyone has uploaded it then you can add trafficking.

Again...

Again and again, it must be stated...

LimeWire has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the content of files shared within the Gnutella Network...
Neither does BearShare or Morpheus or ANY other Gnutella Network-based p2p 'client'.

Any comment(s) re: 'undesirable' material that may be distributed within the Gnutella Network will be absolutely incorrect if any specific client is named and/or 'accused'.

'undesirable' material
 

I need to know whether or not using either Limewire or the Gnutella servers = can people put images/music on my server, or can they only download what I have on there?

In other words, is Limewire and Gnutella only for bandwidth and sharing, or are people actually going to start storing images and files on my computer? I want to make 100% people can't put files/images on my computer before I start using these programs.

A quick response would be appreciated!

Thanks.
P.J.

Re: 'undesirable' material
 

As Peerless said, no one can honestly put stuff on your computer because you use LW or any similar filesharing software.

I suppose viruses and the other malware he mentions might trick your machine into becoming a source of illegal files, but that has nothing to do with proper filesharing software. Email or Web browsing would be equally at risk if you have a Windows machine.

LimeWire only shares the files YOU decide,so carefully check your Library Pane to see if those are the files you approve.

For a more "official" statement, see the link on LW's home page called "Click Here for Important Information about Using P2P Software Safely" http://www.limewire.com/english/content/ftc.shtml

i had 2 friends that had kp on their machines but they did not put it their. one had files in the p2p shared dir and the other had files all over the place. their machines were running redhat like mine and redhat linux has a lot of holes if its not setup. if someone gets a hi user id by hacking a service like sendmail tftp telnet login or anoter service even apache they can pretty much do what they want on that machine. if files are put in a high trafc spot like a p2p shared dir, then the p2p app will begin sharing those files so it like a backdoor to a fileserver. our cUsers group has seen this a few. the other prob is with java on some p2p apps the java jvm that runs on the machine with the app can be vuln if its an older or oem vers. my shop machine was hacked thru telnet and java not the p2p. the p2p's are prety good overall.

JM2C

Illegal Porn
 

here in the US, it is both illegal to possess, as well as selling, trading or any other venue of KP.....I was trying to find a movie myself (not porn) and damned if some kiddie porn came up of a 9 yr old having sex with an adult and what is worse, there were 39 users that had this same file on their pc....makes me sick to my stomach...anyway..back to the issue....it is illegal to own it in any form or shape...and no one wishes that I start on those that like to even watch it

Yeah, probably 39 FBI officiers, other bozos trolling paedophiles or people that are too ******* curious. Have you ever considered that these might have been people just like you who have downloaded this without knowning what it is? Most P2P software nowadays shares a file whilst downloading it. You might have uploaded parts of it as well.

There may as well be hidden pictures within whatever files you've ever downloaded. It's trivial to hide a few megabyte of data in a movie, for example. Perhaps "the scene" has a custom tool hide in and extract data from such files. It doesn't even require encryption or anything complicated. Most file formats offer a way to include some data which will simply be ignored by players/viewers.

Keep in mind that the vast majority of child abuse (sexually or not) happens in the FAMILY by the father, uncle, brother and all women aren't innocent either. People are just wasting their time and energy by blathering over this issue with respect to videos and photos on the internet. It's just a symptom not the real problem. Some useless politicans even dare to abuse the issue to create a police state in which everybody and everything can and will be completely controlled with no freedom left.

It would be far better if everyone takes care that such things cannot happen in his own family and neighbour hood.

Even if you shut the whole internet down, the abuse of children will continue. If you stop the abuse of children, there won't be any videos or photos to put on the internet.

how does the law work regarding movies that feature 16yo's? that is the legal age of consent in a number of countries - - I know that you have to be 18 to star in a produced feature, but how does it stand if that person put's their home movie on the web? if it's amateur then hows that illegal?

Amateur or "professional" doesn't matter at all. You are obviously not allowed to possess such material. The source is completely irrelevant. Home videos on the web is utter nonsense. Either those are faked, stolen or uploaded by an ex-boyfriend. None of that is a legit excuse for you to download it.

Thanks for clearing that up.

As many people will agree 90% of theadult files on the network are not what they are coded to be, so your average 18 y/o movie will infact be either CP or some 50 y/o mother with more tatoo's than ink allows and more peircings than a voodoo doll!

I am well against CP and that, I was disgusted the other day when downloading a movie from another host I browsed their files, much to my amazment and disgust there must have been 200+ cp files there. No comes the prediciment on what to do?,
do I
a) report it - then get in trouble for downloading adult stuff from them (not CP by the way)
or just shrug it off as life has it.

I blocked the ip address striaght away so can't find out what it is again!

One small point, where a file has been deliberately mislabelled, then please report it to Bitzi so others can know about it. Bitzi needs support. How to use Bitzi Web Lookup ... (click on link) & downld the Bitzi Bitcollider that allows you to report about files to the Bitzi site.

do not report child porn. i know it sounds bad, but listen. i use IRC sometimes, and I was spammed by a user with a CP ftp server. the ISP the pedophile used was roadrunner USA. i e-mail security@roadrunner.com, paste them the ad the person gave me, and asked them to investigate.

road runner's response? we want a log with timestamp, if not, we can't do anything.

ISPs and law enforcement have fell way behind on CP enforcement. they'd rather go entrap random people online who are meeting undercover officers for sex, than actually stopping the CP itself.

the main problem is lack of money for law enforcement, and lack of training. ask a regular detective about gnutella and limewire, he'd give you a funny look.

As said: same in Oz - BUT
 

As everyone knows, sometimes half the files on p2p Networks have incorrect or misleading names - and that works both ways : -

Often you can be looking for particular file and it will turn up in Searches with inappropriate words tacked on/into the filename
OR vice-versa... you DL the correctly-named file and it's actually something else ... - like illegal pron, a DRM or other Scam or similar ...

Either way you can have trouble if you don't check the files immediately, rename any that're OK, Completely delete anything inappropriate/illegal AND any record or cache of either.

This can sometimes be tough when you're scheduling things to run overnight/unattended or that're 'queued/waiting for sources/position in line etc... - more so if you're sharing partials (as pointed out by an earlier poster.].. In the worst case you can end up both with illegal stuff on your HD *and* having redistributed it ....

The Police & Courts are *not* the brightest or best-informed. All you can do is be vigilant - and careful ..

BTW, in response to Forum_Monkey's earlier :
Actually, most of the stuff about that's labelled as CP *isn't* - there isn't that much around (there isn't actually much demand for it, happily) , or to paraphrase your comment: your average 'CP' movie will in fact be either legal 18+ clips mislabelled or, as you said, some 50 y/o mother with tatoos and those '200+ cp files' there were probably legal. [To put my comments in perspective, I've been actively working with Computers & Comms - all kinds of different environments & protocols - for a very long time (300bps modems ...:) I've run & used a lot of differnt types of sites - from dial-up BBS's, FTP servers, exchanges, web sites and 'hosted' & watched on Server-Client & p2p 'Nets'.

Like most similar things, this "CP epidemic" has always been a media creation. Most Producers, Providers, sites, Servers & Admins - and people generally - just aren't interested. Demand is small, potential for trouble is huge, there's no money in it (and, unsurprisingly, most people strongly disagree with it).

And the very few who *are* interested are hardly likely to advertise the fact by splattering their IPs, email addresses or website details all over the place - they tend instead to be secret little 'closed' Networks of CP fanciers.

Unfortunately there is fallout: A lot of Video & photographers who used to wander about in public places seekings original shots or 'B-Roll' (background) footage won't shoot children or the places they play, swim, hang around etc. - it's too much trouble with all the silly paranoia about. As an example, I've shot video records & stills for a very prominent "Babies to 16' group of swim schools because their usual US-based Videographer quit doing it after being repeatedly challenged by parents or Busybody types and the courteous but genuinely-concerned...

And the 'western world' is now also full of Grandpas who won't hug their Grandkids or let them sit on Grandpa's lap ...

It's pretty sad, really.

Hi, i've only registered here today so hello all.

just got a big problem I want to get off my chest, been looking for limewire forums for a while now to say about this so here goes..also its reassuring to know that other users have come across this problem before and other users have helped out...I do apolgise if maybe I posted this in the wrong thread but I did read the Forum rules and regs, and this thread "underage nudity" seemed right for it.
ok so here goes..........

was recently looking for photos and short clips of the "harry poter-goblet of fire" film, I managed to download few files of pics and videos, majority of them where proper but 3 of them featured the young girl in the film, who was nude and where very unpleasant scenes, dont want to go into any more detail about it...

now this is where my problem is, i've only recently got limewire programme so im not so sure about how all the file sharing works etc and i didnt take caution...i found out that i was sharing two folders on my pc "My Music" and "my pictures",unfortuenly I downloaded the harry potter pics and video clips to "my music"
So what im saying is, these files where idle for about 5 mins in that folder, and during that time loads of limewire users cud of downloaded it! AND NO THEY WHERE NOT IDLE BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THEM, THEY WHERE IDLE BECAUSE I WAS DOWNLOADING MORE STUFF, AND I LOOK AND LISTEN TO EVERYTHING AFTER I'VE FINISHED ON LIMEWIRE......IM NOT SICK AND NEVER MAKE MYSELF LOOK AT THESE SORT OF THINGS.

I OBVIOSLY deleted all the disgusting pictures, cleared temp internet files, cache the lot!!

So guys, ashamed to say this but i really am SCARED on wots going to happen to me next...am i gonna get a visit from the law,get taken to court??

Sorry if this seems like an inrelevant post, but I didnt get a good night sleep last night, been searching the internet for advice all today, and worried sick...as a result I have uninstalled limewire permantley.

im hoping someone can help me, if not just send me somewere else where i could get help....THANKS ALOT GUYS

Worrying over nothing
 

vwgolf2006

You are going to give yourself a heart attack or a mental breakdown if you can worry so much over virtually nothing.

It is very unlikely that any western authority is going to monitor or worry about someone that accidentally downloads a few filthy pictures. In addition, most western laws are based on intent, i.e. did you intend to download those files. As you did not and immediately deleted the files after you found out what there were no one is going to knock on your door and seize your computer.

So pull yourself together and stop worrying over nonsense.



UK Bob

I'm afraid I ,must disagree, UK BOB
 

Most such 'western' Laws are extremely intrusive and offensively stupid.
As with most drugs, guns, many other 'illicit' items (i.e. those not understood or approved of by the Tribal Witchdoctors of the society), simple possession is enough - even if you didn't know the stuff was there.

Neither the Law-makers (the Pollies), the Courts & law enforcement Nor the average members of the public understand *anything* about the Internet, P2P, Usenet, Online Apps etc. etc.

In a long tradition of entrenched ignorance and bigotry that goes back to before The Pious & Insane Torturers of the Christian Church's 'Inquisition' thru the Witch-hunts of Salem, Nazism, the McCarthy horrors in the US to the Current 'War on Drugs', 'Tough on Crime' and 'War on Terror' *nonsense* that's used to 'justify' appalling legislation destroying our privacy & basic liberties, the approach to 'The Internet and Child Porn' is as fundamentally stupid and unjust:

If you're reported/investigated and found 'in possession' you have as much chance of 'Justice' as young Nguyen Tuong Van (Arrested: Waiting in Singapore Airport *transit* on his last leg home - he hadn't even entered the barbarous place - Jailed & Hanged on a ludicrous pretext: Importing & Trafficking! http://tinyurl.com/744gc) or young Australian 'Innocent abroad', Schappel Corby (http://tinyurl.com/b5kcr) -arrested arriving from Oz at Bali airport , when customs 'found' 4kg of cannabis leaf in her bodyboard bag - Faced Death, got 20 years in an Indonesian Hellhole..If you don't know, taking Cannabis to Bali is like sand to the sahara - it's about 100 times cheaper there than *anywhere* in Civilisation! Utterly ridiculous and entirely barbaric & corrupt -They didn't even fingerprint the plastic it was wrapped in! The going rate is about A$100,000 for the charges to 'go away' or even just a Sentence reduction...-If interested, read this moron, too: http://tinyurl.com/af8aw -'The Law must prevail' no matter what the outcome!]

Precisely the same 'principle' applies to Child porn: if found 'in possession' you have *NO* chance, no excuse - which means *any* computer user/ISP could face serious criminal charges at any time.

It is bad Law and it should be changed.
But that's the way it is.

So what if you didn't make it.

If they (the athorities) wanted too they could bust you for any amount. Usually the way one gets in legal in trouble is when a family member/friend etc... finds the material and turns them in.

I believe that the current law is one year for each picture.

True it may seem like it'd be wasted effort to go after a person with 1-2 files listed for available download but remember that where there's smoke there's fire. If someone has just a couple files for download doesn't mean that is all that they have collected.

Remove the content and don't download it to begin with is the best suggestion.

As for the nudity law, if the person is a nudist it's ok if they are nude but they can't be posed. They law can get you for any nudist images that aren't entirely up to snuff.

It's not about your definition or beliefs but the definition in Blacks Law dictionary that most legal pratices go by.

You can and -will- be busted if you have illegal materials downloading and if you share out partials (which -will- happen). I had recently encountered the exact scenarios described here - legitimate downloading, searching for adult images, and finding that I had queued and downloaded KP. The items were deleted, but I didn't completely follow procedure. It'd just happened so many times I just see it and delete it. It doesn't really phase me anymore and I've been P2P sharing for years.

Three months ago, Feds showed up at my work, and at my house with a search and seizure warrant. They took five computers, 600 cds and dvds, and said "have a nice day, we'll be in touch."

I'm currently without a lawyer on retainer because it's federal and costs $10-15,000 for one if you haven't been charged yet. They can spend the next 285 days toying around with my stuff before deciding to charge me. I haven't slept more than a couple hours a night for three months because I know "how it looks". The law does not care what your intent was. They don't care about how the internet works. They only care that there was ever illegal porn on your computer.

I will probably go away for the Federal minimum sentence of 5 years, if not longer. It's taken me a long time to come to terms with the fact that I will not see justice in this case because the law is ignorant.

This is just to let you all know, be VERY careful. It might be your door they come knocking on next.

After reading all this, what is the best way of getting rid of that crap completely off my hd?
I didn't see the erase option on my spybot(free verssion).

Top left on spybot > click mode > Click advanced mode
Now all program options are visible
If you go to tools you will find "secure shredder"
R click in de blanco field and add the files you want to shred

Is there anything else you recommend?
Do you any freeware hd "scrubbers" out there?
Thanks for the help.:D

Usually....
 

I download porn on LimeWire regularly. My biggest problem is either the sources are unreliable or my dialup internet is just too slow to handle a download. So usually I just click wildly on many different images because I am thinking that it is only showing what I searched for, like an adult(yes ADULT) video, but instead there is child pornography. Many things aren't what they are named, and lately I have been quite nervous because I have just started downloading porn on a regular basis on limewire and I have found many of the files to actually be child pornography, I have used the mcafee file shredder to shred these files about 20 times a piece. I already knew that it was illegal, a few people from my own town got busted for having it, so I was quite nervous. But then I check it out online and find that there is "Dummy" files that the FBI uses to catch suspects of child pornography? I think someone else is having a mental breakdown now, I know what the guy is talking about.

Child porn isn't my bowl of soup, and just think of all the relief everyone would have that downloads adult content on LimeWire or any other filesharing program if there wasn't any such thing on them. There's no way to stop it though, because people can share anything that they want, and unless the FBI makes a whole new branch of their investigations and hires another thousand or more trained employees, it will still go on and if they would decide to go full-blown, many of the people they would catch wouldn't have ever had the intent to look at or download this type of porn. If LimeWire was clean of this CP, people downloading adult content wouldn't have to worry about getting anything illegal.

I guess the safest way to get free porn is Yahoo or Google...and not the untrusted sharers on LimeWire. I definitely do not want to share this illegal material, I have deleted it immediately. Is there still hidden traces of it? Is there still the possibility of me sharing it to other people? I definitely want rid of all traces and it though, it is quite disgusting.

one question i have.. why would the fbi put the files out there? getting legal adult stuff is completley lega, but when you have mislabeling of files, how are we supposed to know? that just doesn't seem fair or right that they would intentionally mislabel files just to catch ppl......

I don't think they mislabel them...
 

I don't think that they would mislabel them to intentionally catch people for downloading LEGAL adult content, but they might name it something giving it away as being child pornography like the age, GIRL or BOY or anything else....What I am really concerned about is that I have accidentally downloaded some of these files that I would not have downloaded if I would have known that LimeWire was full of child porn, but I just went wild and I got pics that were really trash bin material to me, I am just interested in legal adult photos. And after I have just tried to do a search, most everytime I do search for adult content like 18 yo for example, I get about 10 results that are underage porn at least....and the intentional misnaming thing is pretty bad, I don't know whether that is the FBI doing that or not but mann......I wish there was something to do to stop the child porn. I wouldn't be so nervous right now if there wasn't such a thing. I have accidentally downloaded some of it, I don't know whether the feds have my IP or not.......I just hope to god that nothing legal happens because I had no intention to download those files, and as far as limewire being porn-central, nada. I'm done using it for that after finding out it was plastered with CP and that you can actually be arrested and into some deep stuff with the FBI even if you had no intention of having it in your posession for a few seconds.....

If you just start downloading something immediately the sharer can get your IP I am pretty sure. Just typing the simple netstat command will give you the IP if you know anything basic about your computer and what IP is what....you can get people's IP's and I am just concerned that the feds have gotten my IP from downloading some of this stuff accidentally, because I thought my search just included what I searched for, you type in 18 yo and you get sources that are only 18 yo.....but nope. I just highlight and download them all and then come back to the computer and find that most of the files were CP I was like oh no...and I deleted them and now my whole life is affected because after reading the dummy file thing and then knowing that some people around where I live got caught, it is quite life-disturbing......I can't enjoy it anymore because of the terrible thoughts of being in prison for 5 years:( I mean I haven't gotten any verification that I was caught with it but I just think that I was because of the FBI being involved with the dummy file distribution, and I probably downloaded one or two at least of their fake files that catches people who download CP....

Depressed-

There's no point in trying to get porn on P2P networks.

Sure, you can get a lot of it but you also get a lot of crap you really don't
want and tons of low quality spam and worms, not to mention the occasional
well-intentioned but ultimately useless traps set by activists and inexperienced
cops or prosecutors looking for a headline and the more dangerous traps set by
blackmailers.

It's far safer and more efficient to get a safe newsgroup reader like
NewsLeecher and browse around the alt.binaries groups. Don't use things like
Outlook or you will probably get infected by the occasional worm and never
download software unless you are actually in a software group. There's still a
lot of spam but once you find a good group and get used to it the spam will be
easy to spot and avoid, especially as the regulars who hang out tend to post
warnings whenever it shows up.

Most importantly, you can't be spied upon by strangers as you browse around,
so if you stumble over something icky you can just delete it and move on.

Yeah....I have just realized that. The quality, and all of the falsely named files aren't worth even trying to download porn on them. Hopefully I will be fine after deletion of all those files, it seems like all of the people who got caught with the porn had at least a hundred or more photos of CP on their computer, and I have really checked the statistics and it looks as though only 15 people were caught from their dummy file distribution and they looked at it, it looks like about a thousand people have formed a case with them for sharing these kinds of files, so it looks like the sharers are the ones they are really going for, not the ones that accidentally download it and delete it immediately......I'm guessing and hoping..

Thorkep

That's pretty much it. You'd have to sit there and share it for a while, and they
probably want to have suspects online and uploading when they break down the
door and start threatening to shoot up the place. :eek:

Okay.....that makes me feel much better..... I have heard that people that share things are the ones that are almost ALWAYS caught if it infringes on copyright, but I know child pornography is something much more serious than that. And I think that they aren't that extreme, if they were they would be making their job too hard. They could just do a quick search to see if you have it in your posession and if you do after you have downloaded it, then they may go for it, but I think they may just go for the people who leave their computer sit for days and days and share CP, rather than the people who had no intention of having it or looking at it and deleting it very quickly.

You can not avoid the **** that comes from the web, but I feel that LIMEWIRE should be able to remove this rubbish and anyone who deliberately carries such filth should be wiped off the limewire system. If not I will be one to no longer use a program that supports this. A pity but we have to start somewhere. also it is possible to hack and create hell. I have already been able to get sufficient ID to pass to interpol and some have been prosecuted already. more will follow if more IT experts take the trouble to wipe these porn merchants. They are making more money than the legal clean sites. Worst of all there is no way to protect the innocent.

LimeWire has no power to reach into people's homes and force them to do
anything, nor does it have the ability to remove anything from the open
network. It is only one of many programs that connects to it.

The ability to let you filter out things you don't like is being added now, so go to
limewire.org and get involved in the beta test program if you really want to help.

It would be wonderful if they developed a feature that worked for this.....and I will download the beta version and use filtration and hope that it works, but I am not even going to test it. LimeWire is just a p2p program that is legally used for file sharing of your own things, and unfortunately some peoples things aren't so pretty and illegal, but it is just too easy for everyone to share whatever they want in these types of programs. And as of now, that uninstall file that Limewire came with is starting to look pretty good. They also should incorporate IP banning if people are sharing illegal files, and I hope they put the good old "report" button in the program......that would do wonders for the whole network.

Hmmm......I would just like to know, for example, if someone was caught with this by the FBI, how long would it take the FBI to come to their house and start siezing evidence or send a letter in the mail saying they have to go to court?

Thanks

It's Illegal
 

United States
In the United States, child pornography is prohibited under both federal and state laws with some state laws including more or less restrictive definitions compared with federal law. Under federal law, child pornography is defined as visual depiction of minors (i.e. under 18) engaged in a sex act such as intercourse, oral sex, or ************ as well as the lascivious depictions of the genitals. Various federal courts in the 1980s and 1990s have concluded that "lewd" or "lascivious" depiction of the genitals does not require the genitals to be uncovered. Thus, for example, a video of underage teenage girls dancing erotically, with multiple close-up shots of their covered genitals, can be considered child porn.

Questions arose during the 1990s as to whether depictions of mere nudity of minors - such as those found in some nudist magazines and videos - were legal under federal child porn laws. A court case in 1999 determined that mere nudity involving minors does not come under the federal definition of child porn, nor does it necessarily qualify as obscene, as the Supreme Court had ruled previously that mere nudity in and of itself does not constitute obscenity. This ruling does not specifically address state laws, which may differ. For example, broader definitions in some states have created controversy when parents were arrested for taking photographs in which their small children were depicted nude during usual daily activities, such as bathing.

Further complicating the issue in the U. S. is that there is no clear legal definition in federal or state law as to what exactly constitutes a "lewd" or "lascivious" exhibition. In addition, these terms are often to be interpreted according to "contemporary community standards." Defining the standards of a community where residents come from a wide variety of ethnic and cultural backgrounds, and where moving from place to place is commonplace so that the nature of a community is continually changing, has proved extremely challenging.

There's that (question) of the "intent" of the cp material. Or, what was the "intent" of making it, having it-

Porn rarely leads to crime, otherwise I'd have to turn you all in. http://www3.telus.net/public/walkhoub/really.gif

quoting Bricerug
 

I like your thinking mate! I try to download a movie (not porn) and it opens a CP pic, SICK! Worst thing was , my 2 and a half year old son was sitting beside me at the time, i got the IP's and sent them off to the ASACP.

The more of these disgusting sons of bitches the Feds know about the better. :mad:

I think most of us find it sick. But doesn't "limewire" start with you and me? The problem is too big to put on LW, just us little folks can make a big difference in this sick sh*t if we junk it, and in the least NOT d/ling the barbaric filth-

Yeah.....true. I would suggest not even downloading porn on Limewire or any video that seems to be fishy. It is different if you download something that is labeled child porn and you INTEND on viewing it, and clicking on something completely different and then viewing it and finding it to be child pornography....especially if you are sitting there downloading a cartoon or something for your 8 year old child and then it pops up as the sickest stuff that parents would never want their kids seeing their entire life.....but the sickos are all around on LimeWire, that is why I have put the whole program down for downloading adult content because it just isn't worth it because you have a chance of getting arrested or getting stuff that you don't really want to even look at.....but someone out there thinks that you do because you downloaded it, like the feds being one...

I suggest just looking on google or some other sites that have free porn like thehun.com or any other site that is free of charge porn, they are all around the web, and it is very rare to find child pornography because the feds bust child pornography sites very fast, if you search for a porn video or picture on google you will not find any cp content....that is why I use it.

This is one thing that is a universal crime to some extent everywhere....but I knew a perv once who taped (hidden) guests going to his bathroom...this sick twisted lump got it when the cable modem guy came over to check out his modem and found footage of young girls (daughter and friends) going to BR/shower, without being aware of this camera...He got a warning! A warning!

In the US it is VERRRRY bad to get caught with ANYTHING on your computer that even hints at CP... It doesn't even have to be genuine either, a convincingly youthful looking 18 yr old in a video or stills who claims to be underage is just as bad as the real thing! Here's another example of how screwey it can get. A former school chum of mine who lived in New York City was 23 at the time he was engaged to his fiance. She was 17 at the time. Now in NY state 17 is the "age of consent" which means it was perfectly legal for him to have as much sex with her as he felt like... His BIG mistake was to videotape some of their intimate moments... That you see was illegal... He just got out of prison last year... Spent 5 years there... If you are gonna down porno or anything else for that matter off of Limewire or any other place, I strongly recommend you get an external slave HD and use it for downloading exclusively... This way if you do get stuck with some nassty stuff in a DL you can use a HD scrubber on it and not affect your master drive... Just food for thought... Cheers, Cappy... ;)

Watchers of KP and makers of KP disgust people more then serial killers. A prime example of this is how hard the FBI works to throw those guys in prison. And you get a long a** prison sentence just for having one pic of a minor showing any hint of sexual innuendoes on your comp.

I ran into KP once through a false download and by accident, after that I cleaned out my computer twice. Even though everything is deleted I have this shady feeling that the crap is somewhere still on my hard drive. I'm getting a new computer and the end of this month and I plan on incinerating my old one.