Guys

Just adding this news story from the BBC: BBC News - Child abuse 'big business online'


UK Bob

An important quote from that report: "Although internet usage and the volume of content continue to rise globally, we are not seeing a proportionate rise in commercial child sexual abuse material which instead appears to have remained fairly static over recent years," said Peter Robbins, chief executive of the IWF.

Ok, about a year ago I was downloading porn from Limewire on my computer. first was regular porn then I saw LS models. I downloaded them some of them, deleted most of them from Limewire almost as soon as I downloaded them. Some I had on there maybe a couple of minutes or an hr. Hopefully not much longer. But, I dont know if anyone uploaded them from me. But i had them on my hard drive for a couple days. I honestly deleted them a couple of days later. Some I kept a little longer but not much because my concious was weighing heavily on me. My guilty concious was kicking in and I was realizing the true nature of what I was doing. But that is all it seems its gonna take to send me away for 20 years of my life. Stupidest thing I have ever done. So I have deleted them all from my computer. Bought Wipedrive for 40 bucks and cleaned my computer twice. Will never make that mistake again. I hopefully have deleted ANY evidence of me having them. I downloaded them around a year ago and have been waiting for that knock to wake me up in the morning to take my computer and all my dads computer stuff. He would KILL me if I did that to him. Im soo scared, even to this minute im scared they are coming after me. Im waiting for that knock on my door. What got me going latelywas an article in the paper about how up to 800 people are downloading CP at any given minute in our city and that they are, seemingly cracking down on them! But it takes time and money, and they are behind like 16 to 18 months or something. I brazenly downloaded CP around a year ago and have been scared straight ever since. I dont want to go to prison for this and I dont want to keep worrying like I am. I seriously because of this, take in moments of my life as they happen and just try to soak them in, such as the love of my father to me, or having a good time with my friends. But then realize that this all could be wiped away by this. Stupid downloads. Im going back to college in the fall, starting a good job, but this is almost to much to bear on my mind. Its almost worse then getting caught because then it wouldnt feel like I was running from something. But the clock keeps ticking till when i get that knock. I wish that there was a way to somehow clear yourself for stupidy. Like, admit your wrong doing and do like 50 hrs of community service or something, to help clear your concious and let you get on with your life. I know what I did was wrong, now, anyway and to be honest, at the time of downloading them I thought of it as like no big deal of what I was doing. I even got some weird one too that had pics of inmates, scary ones, and some writing. I dont remember really what it was but I was scared instantaneously and thought my life was ruined. I still do. I dont know WHAT I was doing when i did this but thought that i couldnt get caught. I feel I could write a book about this but it doesnt matter. All that matters is I could do BIG time and people will have no remorse for my actions.

I'm going to speculate that when this stuff originally became available the word got out quickly among the addicts who then flocked to this new technology. Now its just down to replacements, i.e. some die off and are replaced by others therefore holding the demand steady.

That plus the continuing education of people as to the consequences of supporting this industry as is being done right here and numerous other sites.

All this worrying will kill you
 

anonymous22

You said:Well, newspapers lie, twist and spin the truth in order to sell newspapers. Even if they were telling the (whole) truth there is a little thing called evidence that law enforcement authorities need before making any arrests.

I've got a couple of suggestions:

1) If you and your Dad use the same computer then get yourself your own PC and delete all traces of LW from the family's machine. So in the unlikely event that someone (law enforcement) comes in and demand the computer give them yours.

2) Go and see a therapist or psychiatrist, making sure that everything you say is strictly confidential, and unburden yourself. Because if you continue to worry you will end up with ulcers, have a nervous breakdown or a heart attack, the human body can only take so much stress before it breaks down.


UK Bob

Anon you're free and clear.
 

Anon you've gotten rid of that stuff as if you had burned the PC's down to piles of ash. :xirokrotima:

Go to bed, sleep calmly and sin no more. :)

dannydarko,

I know of no "tags" that have become illegal in the past few years, or ever. If the "tags" (file descriptions?) you mention include references to child porn, well, they haven't changed, either.

I suggest you read and follow the suggestions from UKBobby and Orange County, above your post. Then you should stay away from p2p. And you can tell the RIAA/MPA that you've done your job.

Written child pornography?
 

If there are no pictures of child pornography, but merely an accounting in writing of these relationships, is this type a type of exploitation punishable under the law? I refer to fictitious stories/ novel.

Hamtramharry

AFAIK the law in the US prohibits photos, drawings, and paintings depicting child porn (one of the few restrictions on our freedom of expression); you can read/write all the child porn you wish. However, I am sure that I am not the only one here who wonders why you would want to.

A lot of art has since been hidden away. Both due to these laws forcing them to be so and due to risk of art being misinterpreted .. or did I already say that. :D

I remember a newspaper photo of a young girl in Vietnam, I think her village had been bombed, her family killed, she was a refugee, she had nothing, no clothes, but this photo represented the desperate state of many people in Vietnam of the time. In those times, such a picture was freely used in newspapers and television to represent what was happening. This was an expression of desperation and told of a story of what war does to *real* people that said so much in just a simple photo. Such a photo would not be allowed now. But this photo was a form of art. The photo itself told a deep story. This was not about nudity or pornography.

Do not get me wrong, I am not pro underage pornography, but when art is used to represent something to speak a special message. uh .. art is something many people would not understand so I will not even attempt to try. But I do not generally like the concept of children being used .. but has been used so effectively in art to tell a story, perhaps of innocence or of the pains and struggles of the young as they grow into society or a multi-million other potential meanings. This is totally different to the concept of child pornography where young ignorant children are 'forced' or coerced into the pornography scene. Such photos are intended for sexual stimulation whereas Art is not unless it is obviously set to be so. Nudity in art does not represent sexual stimulation unless the artist intended it to be so. If a person who views art with any nudity sees it as sexually stimulating then they may even see a drawing of two kittens playfully wrestling as being sexually stimulating/intended. :rolleyes: (duh what century was I born in)

I know exactly what pictures you mean and they have absolutely nothing to do with child pornography. They are pictures depicting how incredibly wrong things can go in the world.

She is running from her village, because it has accidentally been napalmed by "friendly" forces. She has also been burned by said napalm.

Trang Bang 1972 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Art versus Pornography
 

Hi Guys

It's been a long time since I have graced this hollowed forum, at this stage I just want to voice an opinion or two:

Here we go, first I believe I know what pornography is when I see it and I also know what art is but I do not know the point where art becomes pornography or vice versa. So, I believe, like most normal people, that there can be a fine line between the two but have difficulty in distinguishing that line.

Second, there are some people who regard all forms of human nudity as pornographic and there is no reasoning with such people.

Now my main point, the little girl from Vietnam, whose village was napalmed, I believe that under current western legislation it is highly unlikely that such a picture would have been published. After all, she was definitely under aged, around about 8 - 12, she was nude and in obvious pain, the skin on her back was hanging off in tatters. However, the current laws would have censored the pictures of this girl and so the full horror of the Vietnam war, and it's affect on the ordinary Vietnamese people, would have been hidden from the western world.

Finally, I would like to say that I personally do not believe in censorship as a rule, simply because governments and powerful organisations use it as a tool to hide their illegal and morally dubious actions and as an aid to promoting their own brand of propaganda.

However, I do believe that all vulnerable people, whether young, old, disabled, etc., should be protected from unscrupulous people exploiting them. And, unfortunately, one area of protecting vulnerable people is through the blunt, catch all instrument of censorship.


UK Bob

And another titled 'Terror of War' Nick Ut Pulitzer Prize Winning Napalm Girl Vietnam War Wire Photo | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Side-comment: They said the South Vietnamese accidentally bombed the wrong village. Do you really think they would not know their own territory and which village was which? Easy to shift the blame. Every war the USA has been in, they have made similar errors. But perhaps it was not them this time.

Off-topic: I was looking through the series of photos about Viet Nam during that period. I spent 2 months over there after just completing my first year's university study in the Vietnamese language. The Southerners speak very differently to those in the north. Many different words and very different accented vowels. Much of my communication in the south was via pencil and paper, whereas in Hanoi I could understand them reasonably easily and vice-versa. My language course taught 95% northern Vietnamese words, which is the official version of the language. I notice their river boats have not changed at all since the 1960's lol.

Child pornography----- pictures or words
 

Had South Viet Nam won the war your Vietnamese language classes my have had a southern rather than a northern "twang"

The photo mentioned was an atrocity, accident or not. I served 13 months in a combat infantry battalion in central RVN,1968-70. I witnessed child pornography (atrocities) commited by Viet Cong forces upon villagers who had cooperated with US and ARVN forces. We returned to the village during these actions and photographed these incidents before we killed these criminals. The photos were to be used as evidence of the atrocities, but alas we left the country having failed the people with the " southern twang".

I will not show these pictures nor portray the atrocities vividly in writing. I will not attempt to publish the story deemed pornographic or not. I cannot afford to take the chance.













I am not about to show you pictures of these atrocities (child pornography),
but I could vividly explain what the photos depicted and what I saw. Either way my novel will never be published. At this let date I cannot afford it.

vividly portray what took place

Is there an International Law regarding ages etc. e.g. Uk can get married at 16 with parents consent, therefore that person is legally entitled to do all things.
Is standard nude modelling at 16 legal ok but not porn ?
What about parents permitted nude photos of their kids ?
Can anyone clear up even one or more of these points ?
Thanks Powerspan

You can photograph your nude kids, but you better keep the pics to yourself!
If you are legally married in a country that legalizes marriages at 16 do what consenting adults do ,but do it at home with the shades drawn.

In the U.S. it is unlawful to film/photograph nude persons under the age of 18, even if they are your own children. Possession of such images is unlawful, no matter how you came to possess them. Parents who have photographed their children while playing in the bathtub, or a naked toddler's backside while doing something silly, (i.e., "innocent" photos), have been threatened with prosecution. Unfortunately, what is seen as innocent by some, is a turn-on to perverted others.

Even non-photographic artwork can be charged as pornography if it depicts under-age persons in a state of nudity. I imagine that, under certain circumstances, even stick-figure drawings may be ajudged pornographic.

I am not sure if an emancipated minor, such as a married 17-year old, is considered an adult under the porno statutes. (Restrictions against under-age drinking and voting are not relieved by emancipation!)