Strewth !

So what ?
NOT true.
It's all just false marketing of ineffectual products.
(See numerous references, above.)

Correct.
It IS the reality.

Incorrect.
If desired, by whatever 'powers-that-be', the probability is extremely great that the metals (alloys) and plastics can be defined to the actual producing factory and batch code(s).



A moment of recent personal history...

3 weeks ago I was doing some 'cleaning lady' stuff on some of my older external HDDs... One of them was an old Seagate IDE '160GB' drive...

Said drive has been 'cleaned' with WindowWasher 5 and 6 more times than I could count... well, at least 3 times per day, every day, while it was 'active'. Also zapped with C r a pCleaner - the old name for Piriform's CCleaner of today....It had been Diskeeper defragmented 100s of times, including changing the MFT size at least 10 times...
While I had it up, I thought, "Hey, let's see what the latest version of Piriform's Recuva 'finds'..."

Magic ! I recovered, clean and complete, a 1.32GB .avi file that some fool (no names can be divulged for legal reasons - but it was ursula !!!) had deleted in error. Me happy to have it back as it was a rare one... And mega-Tas to Piriform !
Not only was the .avi fie recovered, but it was recovered from a disc that had had all of the above mentioned 'cleaning' and 'sorting' AND had been severely abused by filling it to total capacity, many times... (DOH !)

This is real.


Forget any ideas about Recycle Bin being the 'culprit' and accept the reality that no matter what you do, no matter what marketing cons you fall for, the stuff is still there and EASILY recoverable.

Now, about some of the comments that have been made regarding the intentions behind some of the 'warning' posts here about the impossibility of actually deleting data...

I cannot speak for the others, except perhaps for Peerless, but my intentions (and I am certain the motives are the same for Peerless) have NOT been to frighten people... ONLY to educate them regarding the hard-a$$ real-world reality of 'deleting'.
And, to attempt to help people avoid wasting money and considerable amounts of time attempting the impossible, i.e. 'secure deletions'.

Last, AGAIN, I must repeat that Limewire or Phex or BearShare or Frostwire or Shareaza or Gnucleus or any of the Torrent apps have absolutely nothing to do with the content distributed by the users of said 'clients'.

If it wouldn't cause what I am sure would be a sh¡tstorm with the admin here, I would edit the title of this thread right now. Don't misunderstand... I am practically the president pro tempore of the anti-Limewire brigade, so I am not 'protecting' anyone.

The problem with 'child porn' is not anything to do with p2p networks...
The problem is simple...

!. There is a client base that buys the stuff.

2. (And secondary to 1.) There are the producers of such stuff supplying the existing market. The existing market is not new. It is ancient.
(Ain't no market without buyers, eh ? Late night mass, anyone ?)


Of course, 10 year old brides (practically bred for the sole purpose of financial gain as 'wives') in the so-called biggest 'democracy' in the world does not constitute child porn, right ?
So India is ok, hmmm ?

Hypocrisy abounds.

Even in the environs of good old SNA !