even emule has a "fake File" list ....

[Ringo Chen]

I'd have to be the first to say limewire is far better then 99% of the other P2P clients out there. HOWEVER... There are a few companies that I have traced that are really abusing all of you limewire users.

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I'm sure you've all see the file types "z_e_u_s_! and P_A_G_M_A_K_E_R! and titles of the like. there always an executable file and ALWAYS have every damn marketing promo tool there is INCLUDING hijack warez. T3 or higher.... looks good to the unknowing user.

If you make the mistake of thinking this is a ligit file you soon find your computer over run with registry hacks and hijacks that only allow you to view ONLY the site they are marketing for. Like "findwhatevernow.com" .. try to go to google and your browser now tells you www.google.com can't be found but you can search for anything on ... guess who? MSN or findwhatevernow.com ... yes they are working with microsoft. My rant here is wouldn't it be helpful if limewire would use similar technology to edonkey,emule etc... and have that oh so needed "bad File" list?

Some of these people should be banned, understandably it's not possible in this environment however ....
There are other ways of protecting the limewire community and the reputation of it's network quality.
I'd like to point out a few things for the community to prevent further damage to your systems. First off if you see files with .wmv
just say NO ... same companies use that bs for baiting you into their marketing and your wasting your time and d/l ratios. T3 or higher - .exe files and you can never "Browse the host" ... be warry of this combo.
If your a linux head like me ethereal will spot them for you before you make the fatal mistake my son did on his system.. he runs XP unfortuantely ...
I do believe they now make ethereal for windows, if not get a good windows ip sniffer and just block their IP from your host.

Best,

ringo ...

[Lord of the Rings]

But it is possible to ban certain hosts. You can also enter keywds to filter out many of those unwanted results in one's searches. Particularly .exe, .jpg, & .wmv. Reasons for this rubbish can be attributed to seen here! (click link.) As aggressive as they may seem on the Gnutella network, they can be worked around if care is taken.

[Morgwen]

Ringo Chen the next time, before you post personal information, check the Whois terms of use and our forum rules!

Morgwen

[Ringo Chen]

I agree Lord,

One of the things that I didn't see mentioned in that post was "malwares", well maybe in part. I'm taking aim at those who would misslead someone looking for music or music tabs in this case, delibertly name a file to intice someone and basically "infect" their system with malicious marketing software that is not only destructive but is even coded to circumvent current spyware removal and anti virus software. This unlike some of the other things mentioned is deliberate pointed to end users under false information and whether or not you want it .. you got it. There are things that go on that I would consider wrong, illegal and imoral yet, none of the porn, illegal warez etc, is pushed to you under false pretense to take control of your personal computer for someone elses financial gain. We all see the porn and warez .. it's a choice you personally can make, you know what the file is and what it contains. This is not the case I've seen more and more of lately. You're mislead into thinking the file contains something other then what it actually is and the end result is often harmful. Personally I just "blackwhole" their network on my system and thats easy to do with linux however, I know there are many more windows users out there that really don't have a simple option as I do. It's really a sucker punch at best. I will continue to post the names and IP's of all companies that make a practice of this unacceptable behavior in hopes that some of those peeps that have been duped will take the time to call or email the abuse addresses in an effort to discourage them doing this ON this network .. go do that crap on kaaza ... or IMESH.. sheesh .. I think I need to cut back on the coffee

Ringo ..

[Ringo Chen]

Originally posted by Morgwen
Ringo Chen the next time, before you post personal information, check the Whois terms of use and our forum rules!

Morgwen

I read the rules and regs Morgwen. I didn't think it was out of line posting the names of those who would with malicious intent damage personal property and community reputation. I really don't want limewire to end up as another kaaza or Imesh and it's those kind of things that make those networks shabby to say the least. I'm very much for open systems, obviously (linux) and will continue to support limewire. I would never mislead anyone with "false" information - the names I posted are "positively" the malefactors. Ergo, I have only sent a ligit warning to unsupecting limewire subscribers. I do believe you take no credit for any postings or claims to agree with anyone that makes a post in the forums hence you have no liabilities for my statements correct? I take full responsibility for what I have said and can completely prove it's validity. Of course if you think this unwise I will take note and discontinue at your discretion.

Still it would be nice to have a way to ban ip's client side even if they are not allowing browse like the ones I mentioned or maybe a bad files list. That would get me off my soap box

ringo

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Ringo Chen
I read the rules and regs Morgwen. I didn't think it was out of line posting the names of those who would with malicious intent damage personal property and community reputation.

You know that the Whois service can sue you for posting such data?

And what do you mean with "personal property"? If such companies damage files, sure not "personal property" they will try to stop the illegal sharing of "copyrithed files"...

Our rules are made to protect everybody not just a few ones, for example if anybody post your telephone number i will also delete it or do you want that hundreds of maniacs call you?

Still it would be nice to have a way to ban ip's client side even if they are not allowing browse like the ones I mentioned or maybe a bad files list. That would get me off my soap box

You can make a list and offer it on a private server or via Gnutella.

Morgwen

[Ringo Chen]

Originally posted by Morgwen
You know that the Whois service can sue you for posting such data?

And what do you mean with "personal property"? If such companies damage files, sure not "personal property" they will try to stop the illegal sharing of "copyrithed files"...

Our rules are made to protect everybody not just a few ones, for example if anybody post your telephone number i will also delete it or do you want that hundreds of maniacs call you?



You can make a list and offer it on a private server or via Gnutella.

Morgwen

I don't mean to be argumentive here Morgwen but "whois" is an open source utility and as such anyone using the "whois" utility can access any server that is also runing, finger, gopher, whois etc..

Many organizations like "ARIN" have very large data bases which contain IP's for public use. Anyone can do a lookup and find an IP. IP's are a matter of public record -- It's just like doing a DNS lookup, DIG or NSlookup and there is nothing illegal in doing so. This is like catching someone driving down the highway and commiting a crime, taking a picture of their license plate and posting it -- "have you seen this car?". Nevertheless I did NOT have to use those tools to get my information. Packet sniffers do a much better job....

However I do agree with the phone numbers .. ok your right there I should not have posted those in the forum.

What I mean by personal property Morgwen is my computer, legally it's considered "Personal Property" because it can be moved, it's not fixed in location. And if you or anyone were to send me a virus you'd be in deep sh** I assure you. What I was saying in my orginal post was (if you read it) my son was looking for guitar tabs (which by the way are not copywrited and are public domain. There are many sites that post them legally) Several marketing companies are naming their hijack, malwarez etc .. after any popular software - informational ebooks - MPEG - JPEG -- anything to make YOU believe you've found what your looking for ... until you run the application .. then your hosed.
For instance: My son was looking for "jimi hendrix - little wing" guitar tabs .. found it and downloaded it. Of course when he opened it .. it ran no less then 5 malwarez and hijacked BOTH his browsers (mozilla and IE) one of the malwarez actually shutdown his anti-virus so that it could install without being detected! And no adware did not fix the problem - neither did hijackthis or anyother program. Thats destroying "personal property" and there is legal precedence for a law suit, which is being persued.
These companies won't do jack it's like the pot calling the kettle black and they know it all too well. The only recourse is to blackhole their network OR let them know you'll sue them.

I think thats a good idea Morgwen -- I'll post it on a private net for the users -- thanks

Ringo

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Ringo Chen
I don't mean to be argumentive here Morgwen but "whois" is an open source utility and as such anyone using the "whois" utility can access any server that is also runing, finger, gopher, whois etc..

I know that everybody can access the data BUT you aren´t allowed to post this data, without permission, on a public forum - CHECK THE TERMS!

What I mean by personal property Morgwen is my computer, legally it's considered "Personal Property" because it can be moved, it's not fixed in location. And if you or anyone were to send me a virus you'd be in deep sh** I assure you. What I was saying in my orginal post was (if you read it) my son was looking for guitar tabs (which by the way are not copywrited and are public domain. There are many sites that post them legally) Several marketing companies are naming their hijack, malwarez etc .. after any popular software - informational ebooks - MPEG - JPEG -- anything to make YOU believe you've found what your looking for ... until you run the application .. then your hosed.

You can always sue those companies, I think this will harm them more than posting their IPs...

Morgwen

[Ringo Chen]

Originally posted by Peerless
on the subject of personal info...

how is anybody to know that it is truly yours? you (used in a generic sense) could be posting another persons email addy, etc, just to cause them troubles...

and this can be done with any type of information...lets just call it all 'hearsay'

That's the point. The information is there for anyone to check it out themselves. I'm not, nor have I suggested that anyone do anything with that information -- Other then be warned those ips and companies are doing just what I said. If you think it's a ruse feel free to download one of their files .. I think that would probably make my point even clearer. I think that it falls under the title "common sense".

If you want the information and it can be of use to you great! If not Great! Either way is quite ok with me. I think most people would bother to check what I'm saying first and validate it as I'm sure you would. Be my guest.

Ringo.